Gatekept information

Discussion in 'Working with Sound' started by dieughdie, Mar 29, 2024.

  1. mino45

    mino45 Kapellmeister

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    The information that you are after is kind of complex. You might have to spend quite a lot of time learning and practicing before you will reach a point that will be satisfying. I am talking years, not days or months. The information is publicly accessible, but there is a reason why people take lessons or attend schools to learn these things. It is easier to comprehend if there is structure. You could call this gatekeeping.
     
  2. ryu_shiro_878

    ryu_shiro_878 Producer

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    Dude, no one buys books anymore, you can get them for free online. Don't worry about college either. Music is Art, you can't teach someone Art. Listen and develop a taste first. It feels like there is no time but some things just require time. You can't speedrun real shit. The People I see that go to colleges are weird enthusiasts who have access to all these legendary physical stuff like comps, eqs, synths & they can't even put 2 minutes of good stuff out.
    I know this will be hard to hear but, I too am not from a musical family. I listened to my 1st album when I was 18 [it's was weyes blood's titanic rising] & now it's been 2 years since & i've heard almost everything. From the peak of classical to the most experimental shit. This is going to take atleast a decade to get there. I am not going to assume if you're serious or just into it cause it's cool and passing time. But it's gonna take hellish effort and time to be decent [for reference, Portishead or Massive Attack or Fleetwood Mac]. It's going to be hell to be great [ref - wagner or brahms or schubert or bach or Beatles or King Crimson or Radiohead or Bowie or Sigur Ros or Fishmans]. You may not comprehend the time of 10 years but those years gonna pass anyway. I remember when covid hit & it's been 5 years since. Buckle up & good luck.
    Sadly many people who started as making music & loving it gets hit by reality & bills & becomes mixing engineers or film scorers [most suck though!]
     
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  3. mondomorte

    mondomorte Producer

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    Not to dissuade you but some of us have been doing this stuff for 20 - 30 years or more. 17 years for me. I am still learning - we all are. 2-3 weeks isn't even enough time to potty train yourself, let alone get a grasp on music production. Would you expect to know how to prepare the dishes of a national cuisine in that amount of time?

    There are literally countless free tutorials out there. The more you immerse yourself in production, and continue to practice, the gap between knowing what you want to do and knowing how to do it will start to close. Some days will be hard and other days you will make huge breakthroughs!
     
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  4. ryu_shiro_878

    ryu_shiro_878 Producer

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    There is no such thing as SAUCE...it's just a money grab. In reality if you want to be good at drums you need to at hand play them either on real drums or as I do on SD3 with a Midi Keyboard. You can get quite good with practice, here a guy playing some jazz:
     
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  5. lxfsn

    lxfsn Platinum Record

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    I hear you bro. I started lifting weights 3 weeks ago, basically just youtube videos and training this whole time, I did everything right and yet I'm not even near Mr. Olympia level. They too are gatekeeping information for sure!
     
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  6. Lad Impala

    Lad Impala Rock Star

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    this thing you're looking for mate, it doesnt exist.
    there's no secret sauce that will make your beats better, only practice.
    there are little things that can help you improve some details, but those are not secret either you just gotta learn how to search for it.
    the skill that you're lacking the most is how to use search engines
     
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  7. Lad Impala

    Lad Impala Rock Star

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    that's a great album
     
  8. mondomorte

    mondomorte Producer

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    @dieughdie it's actually a big step in the right direction that you came here to ask this question. You have some very helpful people pulling you back down to earth and giving great advice. Some of the answers might be tough but I assure you, it's all love.

    If you have specific musical / technical ideas in mind, you can definitely ask. There are many users here who are extraordinarily generous with their time and knowledge. There is even a subforum for it: https://audiosex.pro/forums/how-to-make-that-sound.61/
     
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  9. mk_96

    mk_96 Audiosexual

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    You can find pretty much anything on libgen. Can't put a link to it since i don't know if that counts as warez, but if you know the name of the book you're looking for, it's probably there, for free, on PDF, or something you can convert to PDF.

    I may be wrong here because i don't know what the original sentence was and maybe something was lost in translation, but i think the point here is "you should learn how to work drums on a deeper level, not just blindly copy something that works for others"
     
  10. mino45

    mino45 Kapellmeister

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    I think he is doing far too much. It is like a constant drum solo. However, I guess it is somehow off-topic, never mind.
     
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  11. ryu_shiro_878

    ryu_shiro_878 Producer

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    Yeah, he's showing technical proficiency without worrying about aesthetic stuff (also it's just random session of him playing). I find drums in jazz usually in background (the drums in love supreme are my ideal for jazz). You can hear them good enough to play by ear but they aren't in front like in Led Zepplin or Rock.
     
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    Biostfu Tool v2. Only available to those with elite tier Audiosex membership.
     
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  13. FrankPig

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    This guy has chops:



     
  14. OffshoreBanking

    OffshoreBanking Producer

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    @dieughdie

    You can start with :

    - Skillshare Xfer Serum Synthesiser Part.1 : Overview
    - Skillshare Xfer Serum Synthesiser Part.2 : Wavetable Editor
    - Skillshare Xfer Serum Synthesiser Part.3 : Filter, Envelopes, LFOs, Voicing + Global Section

    And continue with :

    - Groove3 Serum : Explained
    - Groove3 Serum FX : Getting Creative

    All of these Serum tutorials are available on the usual websites with a simple search.
    You can also learn on youtube with The Complete Guide To Master Serum from the channel Zen World - Evolution Of Sound :

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrqs7vRFQ4rbeHxoDJHDGL3UkHgbcLZ62

    Once you have learned the basics and understand synthesis you can search youtube to find tutorials geared towards a specific type of sound you want to remake.

    If you are not interested in recreating sounds associated with a genre and want to develop your own style you can experiment with your skills
    and personnal taste to try to create fresh new sounds.

    Serum is a very transparent synthetiser, I think it's a good choice to learn synthesis. It is somewhat intimidating at first but pretty easy to use
    in the end. The modulation options are very powerful and the sound design possibilities are virtually endless.

    People have careers on Youtube as sound designers so the information is out there and they are passioned about sharing their knowledge.
    The names that comes to mind are Au5, Demis Hellen, Sam Smyers, Zen World, Groove3, NonLinear Educating Inc., Sonic Academy...

    The courses I mentionned are the one I learned with but there are a lot more options available and newer ones might be better suited for you.
    Same goes for youtubers, there is probably a 19yo guy making great tutorials focused on genres you are interested in that I don't even know of.

    Audible Genius Syntorial 2 is a different approach, interresting one to me, and its available on the sister site since today so you're in luck if you
    want to try that.

    Cheers ! :mates:
     
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  15. dieughdie

    dieughdie Newbie

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    no no if it was like that i wouldve typed liked that but he said something in my words (not exactly but same message)
     
  16. dieughdie

    dieughdie Newbie

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    yeah i know it just bothered me to hear that so this forum is kind of a vent post lmao
     
  17. dieughdie

    dieughdie Newbie

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    tough love i preciate all of yall who respond 2 me
     
  18. Lois Lane

    Lois Lane Audiosexual

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    We of first world countries need to gatekeep the intricacies of Serum because if the knowledge trickled down to you'all in the second and third world there just wouldn't be enough Serum jizz left for us up here in the rarefied air of the better nations...and we're greedy mutherfukers. Back off and don't upset the apple cart or we'll destroy all the 32 bit plugins from Air and the other pioneering teams and you won't be able to get them anymore to run them on your crappy, slow old Win 7 Pentium 4 laptops. Go away now and come back when you own a Tesla like the rest of us.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. saccamano

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    No one here buys books (well, the smarter ones anyway)... we acquire them... And yes... the information on that is gatekept. :rofl:
     
  20. officialswish

    officialswish Ultrasonic

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    you feel this way because you started producing 2-3 weeks ago. producers have their own approaches to everything. there are no rules. there are no one-stop shop plugins and the trendy ones always change. you find what works for you and you practice it for years until master your craft.
     
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