All this "analog gear" and yet...

Discussion in 'Mixing and Mastering' started by Shiori Oishi, Mar 18, 2024.

  1. jennyblack

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    Secret weapon ;)

    Joking. Glad you liked the guitar. Believe it or not: it was a cheap 200 dollars Tagima (Brazilian trademark) Telecaster (or maybe a little less cheap Washburn, I am not sure which one I used). But the amp/fx is the big surprise: the stock amp in Ableton Live (clean rhythm funk preset tweaked to taste - I used the blues amp). The other guitar was amplitube (american vintage b) with a little compression.
     
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  2. Hazen

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    Very interesting piece!

    In terms of retro-sound, I think it has too much high frequency content (treble / upper mids), which I typically do not associate with oldschool records.

    May I ask what you used for the tape-delay?
     
  3. jennyblack

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    Thanks!!!! The delay was echoboy.
     
  4. SacyGuy

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    Oh my, Oh my God.

    I just love the 1927 Metropolis

    I have a track with this name

    Love the atmosphere of your track, love the guitar and vocal. The spatial distribution of the sounds is realy cool

    congrats
     
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  5. saccamano

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    So that's one out of a million that someone might have actually used the digital tools correctly.... still, not good odds in any game...
     
  6. Lois Lane

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    Maybe this should be in the humor section, but someone in my area is trying to sell a Tascam 388 for $5000 dollars. Oh that warm analog sound!

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. robbieeparker14

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    Gaga kills jazz live and i mean that in a good way her and Tonys live performances are absolutely amazing
     
  8. pratyahara

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    First of all, the subject here is recording and processing using vintage gear emulations, not composition and performance quality.
    This recording sounds very close to analog because there was no excessive and unnecessary digital production processing here. As another modern technique, only auto-tune was used (which I do not approve of).
    Thirdly, Gaga sings jazz very well even though it is not her genre because she has a powerful voice as well as a good sense of jazz style. At no point does it seem like an imitation of a famous jazz singer.
    The composition is not boring, but full of enthusiasm, good mood, and movement, with a clear and attractive melodic line.
     
  9. pratyahara

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    Old-school practices ended abruptly with the introduction of Digital Audio Workstations.
     
  10. triggerflipper

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    Okay, but you've also said that old school producers :

    Wouldn't you agree that all of the techniques mentioned above, perhaps with the exception of virtual instruments (even that is debatable), were in the very least pioneered long before the arrival of DAWs ?

    I mean musique concrete predates the birth of the people who created DAWs :guru:
     
  11. El Cycer

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    Lady Gaga is the Behringer version of a jazz singer
     
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  12. BlackHawk

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    Why would I make a record sound like from the 70s or worse from the 60s? I am from the 50s and I have heard all the radios from the 60s on ... if you would be from that time you would use everything at hand to NOT sound like that - mostly - complete bullsh1t. Not everything from the 60s sounded like the Beatles and not everything from the 70s sounded like Pink Floyd. That were exceptions. EXCEPTIONS! I could play you examples of #1 hit songs that would make you burn all you precious vintage equipment instantly. What play a role in addition to all that was that there were strong filters of what you even got to be able to hear: not everyone could put some songs out. A very, very few were sorted out by the record companies and mot of the things that passed were DOA. A tiny, tiny bit of the output made it to your ears. I mean that literally. YOUR EARS.

    So again: why would I want to put out material that sounds like the crap shitty years of pop- and rock-music? I have examples here ... Beatles - Abbey Road. Original, from late 70s, the 80s the 90, first digital release, 2009 remaster, and remix/remaster from 2019. Guess what? The first acceptable issue is the first digital release. All that vinyl sound like crap. The best version is the one from 2019. And who prefers a vinyl version ... go check up in a mental institution.

    End that analog crap. Burn everything analog. Go away with that garbage. Ban all discussions about analog. It's BS. That's why we have digital. Period.
     
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    The Tascam is one of the few cases that the plugins sounds better than the hardware
     
  14. clone

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    I think this is an example of what happened when Reverb began encouraging all their users to list everything they have in their studios for sale. So there are these " if you really want to bother me about this" prices now. They clearly are not the usual "I don't really want to sell it" prices. They are more like an IQ test.
     
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    Clone got the point: if there is such a drive for the "analog sound", why so few releases with such a sound? Take this for instance:


    I think there are many answers, but I really liked the following:

     
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    Mostly, analog simulations on PCs and Macs are marketing bullshit and we all fall for it, me included. It won't make a bad song good or a good song great. It's mostly irrelevant.
    Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
     
  18. Putinaros22

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    My friend when you go full analog then you have to fuck streaming services , platforms and bullshit and start cutting some vinyl or tapes etc with a Warm Record Shop to sell them or something to advertize them ( a magazine for example ) . Go the old way in marketing and selling and if your music is good you will succeed 100% . Where are you from ?
     
  19. SacyGuy

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    I am from Brazil.
    This is the YT channel of the owner

    https://www.youtube.com/@LiscielFranco

    He is an electric engeneer and he build all the gear of the studio himself, the mixer, compressors, etc
    Also, when he needs money, he sells gear like maletomp to people all over the world (
    )

    He bough completely broken studers really cheap and fixed them

    the irony is that, major labels of the country last year approached him to establish partnerships

    He is a controversial figure and has very strong opinions about the music scenary.

    He is proud of NOT having any computers in the Studio

    Also, he hates djs, rappers, hip-hop... every genre that he thinks its not "made true analog by humans"

    But his work is very great, he is a kind of a genious
     
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  20. devilorcracker

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    Because not everyone wants the vintage lofi sound.
     
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