So, i'm slowly going deaf (no joking)

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  1. Garamondo Furbish

    Garamondo Furbish Audiosexual

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    and yes you are the only kid here, we talked it over and decided to give you a try and see what you're made of.....
     
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  2. twoheart

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    No, you are not alone Stevie. In our heads we all still feel like we're 20 :rofl:

    But, you know, its a thread about deafness, thats why grandpas are predominating :guru:
     
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  3. Lois Lane

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    Thanks, I can't wait to see my own results.
     
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  5. Chrisyking

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    O.K. Some serious things to do:
    1) Take NAD+
    2) Check EVERY medication you are taking. Many antibiotics, antidepressants and viagra cause hearing loss. Google every medication you ever take for 'ototoxicity' You will be shocked.
    3) Don't take anything with aspartame including diet coke.
    4) Don't have any salt. This kills your hearing.
    5) Coffee is good.

    Hope this helps,

    Chris
     
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  6. Haze

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    There's an interesting phenomena that skilled older engineers can still produce mixes that are highly acclaimed. One only need look at the roster of top engineers to see this in action. The theory is that as you age your brain adjusts to the new frequency curve, accepting that as "normal" and thus equalisation decisions are made on that basis. If everything you listen to has an inherent high frequency reduction, then adding that in compensation would be immediately obvious amd sound completely wrong and overtly bright in context to everything else you hear.

    A colleague of mine had a hearing test a couple of years ago and discovered he needed hearing aids as he had a hole in his hearing centered around 4 kHz. After receiving the hearing aids he found he couldn't mix properly as everything sounded harsh so he ditched them. His attitude was literally, and I quote, "I can live without 4k".

    I myself have a -12 dB dip centered around 6 kHz, everywhere else is fairly flat (aside from a wide +3 dB bump centered around 500 Hz where I appear to have more powerful hearing than average). This doesn't lead me to desire a 12 dB boost at 6 kHz or to suck out a bunch of extra 500Hz. If I did, it would no doubt sound like I was sticking knitting needles in my ears as that's not the sound I'm conditioned to.

    The curve differs in both ears (natural phenomenon for any age), which may explain why I always tend to prefer certain elements left or right oriented. This spatial difference, in some respects, can actually be worse than overall frequency loss as the brain doesn't appear to average frequencies the same due to HRTF which can lead to incorrect equalisation decisions if elements are hard panned. This factor is probably a bigger argument for mono compatibility checks than translation for mono systems (because we can simply decide that we only mix music for stereo so fuck the monoheads). It's also a good idea to reverse the stereo to reveal inconsistencies and hear how your finally balanced width can suddenly disintegrate into nonsense if you have a significant disparity between the ears...
     
  7. segglyuk

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    Last time I took my temperature and my wife told me that the thermometer beeped.. I didn't hear it when I repeated it.. oops.. I don't buy long-lasting milk anymore..
     
  8. Garamondo Furbish

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    pretty good advice except for the salt, salt is necessary for life. Salt is Sodium Chloride, in order for your stomach to produce hydrochloric acid for digestion it needs salt for the chlorine/chloride in salt. Thats why everyone craves salt including cute little deers.

    Also probably good idea to have his ears checked by an ear specialist and make sure there is no obstruction or defects in his ear canals and associated organs.

    If you can't find NAD+ at a decent price, try fermented wheat germ extract its loaded with NAD . Also wouldn't hurt to examine your sleep pattern and possibly begin melatonin supplementation before bed time. Your body repairs itself while you sleep. It needs you to be in deep sleep for at least a few hours so it can work without you flopping around and messing up the help while they are working on you.

    Melatonin can be helpful in maintaining your health. also see this video, its long but worth it.

     
  9. slowpoke

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    I can totally relate. I can't hear my wife talking to me but I can hear my phone when I win an Ebay auction.
     
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  10. Strat4ever

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    With age it is fairly normal to have hearing issues, the damage over the years from excessive noise and music everywhere specially the insane thumplng from sub woofers which affects the brain.
     
  11. JMOUTTON

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    Getting old happens,

    You can still enjoy life and if you feel the need to jam or rock out do it, Neil Young is pretty much deaf and he still manages to get his groove on.

    I think it's kind of entertaining watching so many people trying to fix something that isn't broken tough, we all get old and no amount of dick pills, Botox, injections, spray tan, hair dye, toupees and ostrich head in sand impersonation is going to change any of it. You can accept it or not but whatever you choose to do go all out.

    I had an a maternal uncle who refused to ever act his age, and had everyone of the above mentioned products in full use at all times. He seemed to have a blast his entire life but it looked ridiculous. I don't think he gave a shit though. By the time he kicked the bucket at 89 he had had 5 different wives 14 children (not all of them with those 5 different wives) and was raising the 14th child who was still a toddler with his fifth and final who was 26 years old at the time.

    The last time I saw him in person and alive was a few years before he died and he was still checking out the T&A on display at the boardwalk, church, grocers and bakers and still had running commentary about how he would split that one like a log and lick that one down like an ice cream sandwich or take on all 3 of those like jungle gym.

    Moral of the story you can be old but don't let that stop you from doing whatever, just don't vacillate between the two extremes too much that's where you break your brain and that's never a good thing.
     
  12. rah

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    welcome to my world
    Ive had this from the day I was born.
    so.. Obviously go and see an audiologist to do a test, and see what they can recommend about the tinnitus( it is a bummer unfortunately)
    and see a doctor about your other ailments. They may not be able to cure it, but they might be able to help you manage in a way that won't completely ruin your love for music.
    One little strange thing I found , is that music that I have listened to for many, many years I have subconsciously memorized and can fill in if the volume is not loud enough( only a handful of songs though).
    Don't worry too much about the phone calls either-change the ringtone to a lower frequency sound or use an audio clip that you can hear ok( your favourite guitar riff?)
    life goes on, just in a different direction :)
     
  13. Always Grateful

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    Vitamins for hearing loss
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/sspa/click...-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

    You need to eat fish to get Vitamin A: 5 days per week breakfast
    Sardine
    mackeral
    Samon

    If you have lots of ear wax that heart related.

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  14. Garamondo Furbish

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    I've heard earwax is related to listening to a lot of vinyl. The needle makes the needle scrap away microscopic bits of record wax which are carried by micro currents in the air and attach to your ear drum, after a few thousand hours of lp listening, bob's your uncle.

    Look at Thomas Edison, o

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    or Thomas Dolby who was blinded by science in this documentary on youtube I watched.

     
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    i wish i had a Sad emote or something to react here.

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    But it always reminds how important it is to have phases of silence or simply turn down the volume of music once more. Losing the hearing would fatal to what we are doing here professional or even as a fun free time activity.

    Anyway i wish you all the best and that you can retain a bit hearing and not go fully deaf.
     
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  16. Garamondo Furbish

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    the thing is, this is why constant earphone use is a very bad idea. aside from being distracted and divorced from your reality and not really knowing your sixes, you are overloading your ears by forcing sound into them and as we all know, the sound pressure from song to song or advertisement differs incredibly, keep pounding your ear drums and the organs get worn out.

    if you want to be rich, become an audiologist, we will have a generation of people with hearing loss in the next 10 years. A fortune is to be made in providing hearing test and hearing aids to these victims of their own desire to block out the world and pound their ear drums.

    don't get me started on cars that are traveling subsonic weapons sharing the decibels with every car and house within the block.

    anyhow take care of your ears, you only get two and when there gone, you will miss them....
     
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    i for my part tend to use ear buds, but i keep the volume down by a lot. i know its optimal, but it helps me focusing, when i am working on things.

    Like i wrote i have phases, where i dont wear them or just listen to things over speakers.

    But i also know that other people for example in the bus have their headphones/ear buds very loud, its like you can listen to the music from 2-3m away, they have in their headphones.

    But i am also not going to any concerts or live events, thats also death to the ears over a longer time.
     
  18. BobbyMonfrado

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    There recent data that shows Metformin (super common/safe 1st line diabetes drug) can prevent noise induced hearing loss. It won't bring it back, but that's one way off the map thing at 62 you could probably get easily from your doc. Moreove, there's other research that shows people who lose hearing that use a hearing-aid have like 30% less risk of developing dementia/alzheimers. So you should look into that. (Oh, and Metformin is the only medicine so far in a double blinded study to show it can reduce the risk of long covid even if started after infection - up to a few days after symptoms - can search preprints/reddit for that).



    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37641232/ (This is rodents, but search pub for Metformin hearing loss and there are some other studies)

    Oct 2023:

    Metformin Protects Against Noise-Induced Hearing Loss in Male Mice
    Catherine L Kennedy 1, Benjamin Shuster 2, Reza Amanipour 2, Beatrice Milon 2, Priya Patel 1, Ran Elkon 3, Ronna Hertzano
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    Hypothesis: Metformin treatment will protect mice from noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL).

    Background: We recently identified metformin as the top-ranking, Food and Drug Administration-approved drug to counter inner ear molecular changes induced by permanent threshold shift-inducing noise. This study is designed to functionally test metformin as a potential otoprotective drug against NIHL.

    Methods: Male and female B6CBAF1/J mice were obtained at 7 to 8 weeks of age. A cohort of the females underwent ovariectomy to simulate menopause and eliminate the effect of ovarian-derived estrogens. At 10 weeks of age, mice underwent a permanent threshold shift-inducing noise exposure (102.5 or 105 dB SPL, 8-16 kHz, 2 h). Auditory brainstem response (ABR) thresholds were obtained at baseline, 24 h after noise exposure, and 1 week after noise exposure. Mice were administered metformin (200 mg/kg/d) or a saline control in their drinking water after the baseline ABR and for the remainder of the study. After the 1-week ABR, mice were euthanized and cochlear tissue was analyzed.

    Results: Metformin treatment reduced the 1-week ABR threshold shift at 16 kHz ( p < 0.01; d = 1.20) and 24 kHz ( p < 0.01; d = 1.15) as well as outer hair cell loss in the 32-45.5 kHz range ( p < 0.0001; d = 2.37) in male mice. In contrast, metformin treatment did not prevent hearing loss or outer hair cell loss in the intact or ovariectomized female mice.

    Conclusions: Metformin exhibits sex-dependent efficacy as a therapeutic for NIHL. These data compel continued investigation into metformin's protective effects and demonstrate the importance of evaluating the therapeutic efficacy of drugs in subjects of both sexes.

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    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37176586/

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    A Multicenter Cohort Study on the Association between Metformin Use and Hearing Loss in Patients with Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus Using a Common Data Model
    Minjin Kim 1 2, Dong Heun Park 3, Hangseok Choi 1 2, Insik Song 3, Kang Hyeon Lim 3, Hee Soo Yoon 3, Yoon Chan Rah 3, June Choi 3 4
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    We attempted to explore the association between metformin use and hearing loss in in a large-scale study. This retrospective multicenter cohort study assessed the data of patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus (DM) aged over 40 years using the Observational Health Data Science and Informatics open-source software and the Common Data Model database from 1 January 2002 to 31 December 2019. Each participant was selected using the ICD-10-CM diagnosis code E11 for type 2 DM with sensorineural hearing loss. The participants were divided into metformin and non-metformin users. The outcome measure was the first occurrence of hearing loss after the diagnosis of DM as measured by the CDM cohort study. A total of 80,596 patients, including 46,152 metformin users and 34,444 non-metformin users from three hospitals were assessed. After calibration, we compared the risk of hearing loss using Kaplan-Meier curves, and found significant differences between the groups. The calibrated hazard ratio in the three hospitals (0.79 [95% confidence interval, 0.57-1.12]) was summarized. These findings suggest that the probability of hearing loss-free survival in the metformin user group is higher than that in the non-metformin user group.

    Keywords: common data model; diabetes mellitus; hearing; metfo
     
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  19. Garamondo Furbish

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    those mice shouldn't be listening to loud music all the time, especially that jet engine noise test record that the little rodents love so much.
     
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    hmmmm. well i think hearing is a thing that needs no meds.
    Pure audio or ears are the ones that live in the wild.
    In other words... Whoever loses his or her hearing...
    Considdre where you working @ with high freq.
    like Telephone poles GSM etc.
    I think hearing for sensible people can go haywire
    when not analyzed.
     
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