Define “better”. Without a, or your specific definition it’s impossible to answer
Better for what? For whom?

Music is artistic expression, to make\force an AI make human music is simply the most stupid and useless thing to do. Unless you are talking from the perspective of a corporation about cheap production for simple consumption, to use it like a slave for that aim I’m sure it will be useful, but that is simply more of the same, just like human cheap fast food production, but that is hardly “better”

If anything you would be interested in hearing AI musical expression, but then the obvious question would be why would AI make human music, when its inherent nature has NOTHING in common with our human nature.

So, your “AI making better music” is not a thought out question, it’s a stupid Foster-like empty phrase.
If you think a little and then post something with a tiny bit of thought behind we would know what you mean, but maybe it’s too much to ask?

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No. By the time AI is so advanced that it creates better music than humans, it is that smart that it allready have killed all humans.
Carefull AGI will get you all! Now I go back down into my Survivel shelter Bunker.

 

Agree. Composing music isn't just

May be, it's about emotions or experience. May be, about something else. But it's definitely not about formulae.

AI doesn't hear itself. Isn't capable to hear.

 

Yes and not really.
First, what do you think your brain is doing when it's listening to music?
It analyzes the data digitized in your inner ear into a signal. In real time.
Out brain is scarily effective when it comes to neural networks actually, and is able to process and correlate multiple streams of absolutely different data at the same time, and all that with powerful "denoising" to prevent hallucinations, but in principle, it does the same thing the AI does, cause it converts everything into an electric signal and runs analog mathematical operations on resulting signals. At least this is what both neuroscience and data science agree on at the moment.
Emotions happen when your brain decides that it wants to release certain hormones into your blood to prepare your body for the situation it observed. And experience is a topology of most used neural pathways in your brain.

Second, artificial neural networks are better at discerning small patterns than a human brain, so whatever you brain picked up on to produce emotions, this thing can pick up on too, eventually. The main issue for it is to know which of the countless patterns it should accentuate, and this is where human-reinforced deep learning comes into play. Humans rank it's output and tell it what emotions they feel. So now it can correlate the specific patterns with our words. And it's all on a scale of data that you can't even comprehend, quite literally a few billions of examples.
It doesn't need to hear anything at all.

 

There is only one John Denver.

 

Thanks, very interesting reading all of you smart people!

There is a lot of hype now with AI, and new tools like This entry https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/ai-and-music-experiment/

on youtube blog about the new features of AI in music that i recommend, they are trying to include AI as a tool, for example in this case, artist themselves share their voices to an AI, so you as user can use their voice in your creations.

I was suspecting that when i was reading it.

Very interesting concept, because a digital designer is more anonymous than a music creator "typically".
This is thinking on bands, or singers, but what about music producers? Do they have image behind them?

This video is tricky https://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-gemini-ai-video-staged

Agree, nice and romantic vision, but from the economic vision, if you are a film director and need a BSO, IA is going to check in on time, and probably at no cost. Where woul be there business, where art and human relation with technology?

Have you seen midjourney creations? It is far from boring

Very good point! Why do you think music industry is different?

Anyways, is already here.

This is like the finger mistakes, from the last year, and now, barely you can't distinguish a picture AI generated of an human taked picture. Imagine in 50 years...

Super good point, music is more a dialogue, or a language too, with billions of intricated details, Will IA technology be able one day? The question is still on the air.

Better in the sense of indistinguishable from human created, or better in the sense of better (using some undiscovered jet concepts)

 

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I laugh at idiots creating AI to replace them in the next generation(s) ...just why?

 

- AI technology can surpass human capabilities in terms of speed, accuracy, consistency, and precision – qualities seemingly opposed to the lazy, random, fluid, fuzzy, and cozy qualities often crucial for art.
- Imperfection, rather than technical perfection, is a key condition for much art.
- AI lacks the empathy, compassion, and creativity inherent to humans, confining it to technical applications or imitation.
- The elimination of personal biases and clouded judgment, so deeply intertwined with human art, can make "art" created by AI seem less intriguing and emotionally resonant.
- While AI can significantly improve efficiency and productivity, this could lead to an inflation of "art," potentially rendering it cheap and lacking in depth and originality.
- AI is unable to explore the invisible and unfathomable which is the essence of innovation.

Excessive dependence on AI will undoubtedly lead to a further decline in human emotions, social skills and personality development, as has already been observed with the rise of IT technology in recent decades.

 

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You make no sense.
A copy is not "better".

And music is not a product to compare with a jet engine.

It's going to be hard if you dont have a clue about what you are talking about. Or are you just babbling?

 

Depends. Do you see yourself primarily as an artist, or as a businessman? And if the former, of what kind?
I'm certainly no businessman, I can tell you that

 

No. AI lacks human intuition and will always be dependent on training data based on preexisting ideas created by humans and therefore can never be 'better'.

AI is just a machine after all. It's not alive and biologically based and therefore it will never be conscious or have intuition. Intuition comes from a places that transcends the physical brain and is something that a machine simply isn't able to access.

 

I think a more important question is why are you making music. If your goal is to simply create a product then perhaps it's viable to ask whether AI can do it better than you, but I don't care.

I'm an artist, I create music for me, I enjoy the process of creation, how it makes me think, the feeling of pouring my heart and soul into a project. After that, I really don't care what happens or if anyone likes it or not; their opinion never crossed my mind when I was creating it.

I'm more concerned that we are becoming slaves to AI. While AI creates music and images, I'm left to the mundane work of answering emails.

 

Well, it all depends about how they "do" music...
Obviously if they copy paste pieces, and just "mix" them, AI will replace them for the better. So they have a good reason to fear because their "artistic" choices are so limited that AI will be able to do the same but based on more choice and more info, hence better.

 

To discuss the concept of AI as some advanced chatgtp or some other rudimentary now existing 1.0 is pretty naive.

Guys, there is no general AI, its a veeery wide concept. “it” will evolve and become different entities, groups, some will be limited by design and just pull basic needs others more conceptual work, many will become individuals, at first just like primates, then infants but with an extreme data access, some will be better at general tasks other will focus on other areas and become virtuosos in their field.

Also, we will gain access to the same data and speed through accelerated processes via neural interfaces and will take advantage using the same code AI develops so we will not be "left behind". I’m talking on the long run now obviously

Its just another technical breakthrough, same problems, same challenges will be present. Basic stuff you know like , who owns it and to what purpose.

And getting back to the "question" of who will make "better music".

If the OP doenst have a clue of what he is asking and if we dont know what we are looking for then its pretty hard to formulate any sort of answer.

 

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There's one simple reason, music made by an A.I. isn't copyright protected. No doubt there'll a (bunch of) music made by an A.I. in the future but, no major label and no major artist will rely on on it.

 

@ pratyahara , would you care to explain why you disagree with my comment, please?

 

Unless they cheat. Imagine a major company using their own AI system to create music, they may find a legal way to copyright it.. No?

 

Science fiction has long posed this question. I turned, (as I often do) to Star Trek. In this case the episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" from the original series. Star Trek was always ahead of the tech curve. They predicted cell phones. When I got my first flip-phone I was like wow a communicator! In any case, they seemed to think that no matter how intelligent, machines can never truly replace or replicate human emotion which, in my book, is absolutely necessary to creating "real" music. A computer cannot "feel". Human emotion is the magic fairy dust in all art.....no matter what the medium. I can pretty much always tell the difference between something that's been created and something that's been generated. My concern lies with "creators" that are too lazy to create and consumers who are either too stupid or uncaring enough to reject the result

Dr. Roger Korby: "You can't love a machine Christine."

Nurse Chapel: "Did you?"

 

Yes, AI is just recognition of patterns. AI has emotions? Didn't know.

 

Like with ghost writing/mixing/producing... I'm sure some will use A.I. for this without mentioning.

Possible, this remains to be seen.