Hi there, in the past I have done mockups of the first 6 minutes of the Rite of Spring with Spitfire Symphonyc Series and Spitfire BBC Orchestra

This time I am doing it with Orchestral Tools Berlin Series, I think it sounds amazing.
I have just published the first part of 3 minutes, the rest will come

What do you think?

I am now using two microphones, Tree and Surround. Unfortunately, due to the Sine player limitation I cannot automate microphones otherwise I would have liked to introduce some close mics specially on some woodwinds instruments.

 

Wonderful! I do think the Bassoon is a little weak. It doesn't seem to have the character we're used to hearing in the piece, even playing that high. Maybe the close mic would help here, and occasional light vibrato (if possible). The other woodwinds are great. Overall it's amazing, and my all-time favorite Stravinsky. Can't wait for more.

 

I couldn't recall that piece, looked for it at YT and found this version, which seems superior to yours in every single regard. Ok, it's Rattle and LSO and that's hard to impossible to beat but I would use it as a guide line in terms of levels, definition, depth and surprisingly notes, which seem to differ from yours partly.

However, great effort, much appreciated.

 

Unfortunately, they (composers) all died and we didn't have a chance to see them even for a second.
Now, look at the current music ...

 

I also noticed the AI-art attempt with your artwork for the video's thumbnail. Stravinsky composing on a computer, Picasso style, in the Spring, I think?

Here's a great short, informative, and funny mini documentary on the Rite of Spring and Stravinsky. The piece has quite a history (violence and everything), eventually being recognized as the masterpiece that it is. Much more exciting than typical classical music.

 

You are right and it is exactly my feeling
it is actually worst, because I have already done some EQ to the bassoon to make it sound more like a real bassoon, I think it has a problem with the high notes that are used in the initial solo cause the other parts sound good
it misses some nasal sound and warmth typical of the instrument sounding at that range

 

Surely impossible to sound like a real orchestra,
But I will listen to it to be inspired for the balance.

Now I am using an old version from 1921 condicted by Bernstein, I have aligned tempo to it and I am using it as a reference for the expressions and dynamics

 

Indeed!
I did it with Leonardo.ai with the following prompt

"Igor stravinsky writing music on a computer with a big screen in a forest where there are women dancing"

I have read a book about this piece some time ago, it is a very complex one, and this is also why I love it!

 

Bernstein rings a bell.

But 1921 is really old, that could at least explain some things because the (common) taste changed during the last 100 years.

 

hahaha true,

I am truly romantic loving old stuff

 

No way Bernstein conducted anything in 1921, he might have been a genius but wasn't quite that advanced at the age of 3 years old or I probably would have heard about it.

 

@Marco Di Stefano - I am sending you huge kudos for your efforts.

Anyone who not only knows how to manually write Orchestral scores with a pencil, and who has worked with an Orchestra and done DAW emulations, with some real instruments and by themselves, knows exactly how much work goes into it.
While many forums try to indicate that if it is right then it should be fine on all decent Orchestral sample libraries. I know this could not be further from the truth.
The dynamics (musical), articulations, attack, sustain, decay and too much to list, ALL vary from library to library.

Looking at your DAW capture, I can see and I know from doing this both paid and unpaid, just how much manual MIDI editing is involved to get any kind of authenticity. I know people say you cannot beat a real instrument and they're right, most people cannot afford the sheer cost of hiring a professional orchestra. You did really well and should be proud of your efforts.

THE PERFORMANCE in 1921-1922:

The Rite had its first British concert performance on 7 June 1921, at the Queen's Hall in London under Eugene Goossens. Its American premiere occurred on 3 March 1922, when Stokowski included it in a Philadelphia Orchestra programme.

 

Funnily enough, with only one example - the Symphobia libraries by Project Sam, scorers are doing it all the time. An Oscar winner, Black Panther theme was not done with all real instruments. I think you can find a YouTube video somewhere on the making of it. As to why Symphobia works for a lot, it's because there are entire editable patterns already sampled and played by a real Orchestra.

 

One of my favorite performances of The Rite Of Spring is the Budapest Festival Orchestra under Ivan Fischer 2012. It is the most precise performance. The orchestra is so tight, so in sync, especially in the staccato brass/woodwind/percussion passages. Even the strings, too. It presents a very powerful, intense performance. It also helps to add some clarity to the orchestration and timing of this very complicated work. Might be a good study piece for the mockup. You can listen here:

https://letsloop.com/artist/budapes...y-rite-of-spring-firebird-suite-scherzo-tango

 

AHAHAHAH sorry

I meant 1958
Here is the link to the album

 

Thank you very much!!
and since I am an obsesses perfectionist, I am working on a widely improved version where I am comparing each second side by side the real orchestra and the midi one
Will come out soon

 

In the end I have decided to change and do the mockup based on this other version recommended above

It would be great to make a video putting my export on top of the orchestra, not sure if I will encounter rights issue though... maybe I will ask permission to the channel owner

 

Hey sent you a DM, but whats up with Sine Player? would using the sister sites kontakt player get around the limitations it's imposing on you? something to think about maybe? good luck it's an AWESOME project, my adhd brain is humbled.

 

There are several recordings of Igor Stravinsky conducting his composition "The Rite of Spring":

• 1929: Stravinsky's first recording of the work, made with the Walther Straram Concerts Orchestra in Paris.
• 1940: Stravinsky's recording with the Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra of New York.
• 1960: Stravinsky's recording with the Columbia Symphony Orchestra. This recording is considered to be one of the best Stravinsky recordings ever made.
• 1961: Stravinsky's final recording of the work, made with the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra.

All of these recordings are available on CD and streaming services.

There are also a number of video recordings of Stravinsky conducting "The Rite of Spring". One of the most notable is a recording of a 1962 performance with the USSR State Symphony Orchestra in Moscow.

 

That is a great performance to watch (and hear). Seeing the orchestra perform, and the soloists and sections highlighted as they play is exciting and inspiring.

I'm sure you'll never get the rights to post the video with your mockup replacing their performance, but you could still download it and use it in your DAW to sync with, and produce the video with your soundtrack for your own use and maybe private sharing.