I'm not invalidating anything about your experience with Kratom (if anything I'm jealous of it lol). But there's a plethora of testimonies from people who have a real struggle with it online, and suggesting someone with mental health problems (very probably including substance abuse issues) they use Kratom is uncool, dude.

True, nobody died of Kratom. It has a safe profile. I'm not debating that for one second. Cigarettes and coffee are without a doubt worse for your health, no arguments here.

There are people who consume WAAAAYYY more than 3 glasses a day, trust me I don't know how many grams of fresh leaves you put in your drink, but I used to take anywhere between 15-30 grams of dried and powdered plant material a day -now try to imagine how much fresh leaves you'd need to dry in order to get that amount lol- and although it's high, I know there are people who take much more than I did. I should also add that upping your dose doesn't necessarily mean more effects (except undesirable ones maybe). It is widely accepted that with Kratom less is more. But that's my point : being in a bad mental state and highly prone to addiction, I just couldn't keep it under control, I always wanted to do more even though I was getting diminishing returns. Kratom really works, and that's precisely why people like me should be VERY careful with it.


Don't know if anyone lost their minds because of Kratom, but it can make some people's lives absolutely miserable. Not sucking dick for crack miserable, but being unable to function without redosing multiple times a day, cut off from your emotions, distant from and neglectful of your loved ones miserable. Yes, there are tons of drugs that will cause the same damage only exponentially worse.

Again, I'm not saying OP should absolutely stay away from Kratom at all costs, that's their choice to make. But judging by their words, the risk of getting hooked is very real, and quitting may put them in an even worse place than before. My first post might've come off a bit over-dramatic, but I was just trying to counter balance yours so OP will (hopefully) do some serious research before any decisions.

Peace

 

alright. I think OP is old enough to decide it for himself.

 

talking about those problems is a good thing, you're aware of it and trying to deal with it, none of us is a doctor here, so don't take words for granted, merely opinions and thoughts on situation none of us exactly is at,

you're mixing too many things up, chill out, step back, look and think around,
if you're not finding enough inspiration and incentives to make music or sex, then start improving that, on your own...

I never feel effects of alcohol or drugs, no idea if that's a good thing, but everyone reacts differently to those, not a huge deal if you ask me,
you don't have to drink alcohol or use drugs to make music or have sex, it's a cool myth, nothing else,
sure different "state of mind" is an interesting concept, but it's your mind still, "unbound" to say, or "altered", you need to work with it, even as if it was as far as coworking with another person of different skillset (well this is wild but hopefully you get my point)

 

Thanks for the support and encouraging words i still believe the best music is made under the influence of drugs which i cant do in the moment and the near future im having a hard time myself laying off the weed ( i still find myself doing it even tho i can barely breathe ) i still drink alcohol from time to time and it's not that i need drugs to have sex but rather that my stick feels like a plastic becouse of the abilify i can barely feel any pleasure as i did before and this s**** thank you and all the people that commented this thread you guys are awesome people not many left on the world like you