those folders are mostly for organizational purposes but some applications will expect a certificate to be in a particular store, nothing is preventing an application from using a certificate in any folder

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/install/digital-certificates

 

"Get a cheap laptop if you have to, do your banking, taxes, websurfing, whatever on it."

"You can get another computer plenty powerful enough to go online/download with for super cheap."

You have the solution yet you do not accept it. The onus is on you. Since others run this "cert" without issue and the smarter ones run it on platforms that are completely OFF the internet and it works just fine, it would seem to me that this whole point is moot. This entire forum
(s-site even more so) is a knowledgebase that can easily be used to obtain such information which makes this entire thread rather redundant.

 

this is just common (well, almost) computer horse-sense.

 

Well, you may not have noticed that shitshow, or this one and the truly woeful urs defenders; but everyone has come into contact w/ truly awful, entitled devs. uhe and steinbug are among the worst?

 

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Just about every "dev" out there these days thinks they are entitled. It's part of the explanation for the mass-drop of tons software flotsam onto a new crop of partially-ignorant, semi-educated neophyte wanna be pop-star types who will gobble up these "devs'" garp at the drop of a hat. Doesn't really matter how well it works or even if it works - what matters is the packaging is pretty and the interface is nerdy looking then it must be cool.

 

I understand the real reasons for Try Before Buy. I'm not sure about U-He but SB is probably on that list. Developers like Tone2 (deleting files), Lennard (the twitter mob incident), Bitwig with their "every update for life (except this one) ", I wouldn't know where to even begin such a list. It would be a long list, but I might personally go with Digidesign; even though they are no longer around. But attacking the product just gets old to hear. " I'd buy this if it wasn't for the bad protection". Really?
Complaining about stolen clock cycles while running Windows seems a bit disingenuous. Someone is reading from an nfo file and repeating it.

 

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Well, you just have to use diva to know that it's awful; from a software ("cycles") pov, @clone. But your statement about "legit users" is absurd. I've bought steinbug products (and loads moar) and had to suffer thru many api related disasters.

 

Diva runs poorly no matter what, and SB have been money grubbing forever. Nothing done to Diva, Cubase, Nuendo, etc has ever done anything to make their performance any better. It's just more copying an nfo file. Normally such claims actually have some shred of proof to them, and maybe some independent thought. Not one person quoting such nfo files can even remotely back up what they say with facts. Most wouldn't even know how to measure the difference. Show one program where it is true and that it matters at all. Maybe you can get someone on XP to do some Cubase SX testing. Of course, you would need to actually have both a legit copy and a cracked version to compare them. That pretty much effectively rules out such proof coming in near future.

 

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That's absolute nonsense, @clone. But Phil Collins loves your argument. Most longtime users of cubase can point to the most stable version (12) after the debacle of 10 and 11. It is surely a coincidence that steinbug dropped their intrusive api. smh.

 

So when someone says your argument has no legs to stand on, other than parroting what someone else has told you; your answer to that is to quote someone else, and use vague terms such as "most"? If you were dealing with facts, you could simply open up a program or plugin which you have a legit license to use; and then compare its performance with a cracked version. I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. But you could at least get your story straight.

 

Well, I would refer you to r2r and their common: "Our release loads faster and uses less memory than legit version." If you were interested in nfos. I'm talking about my personal experience w/ cubase over the years. But you don't have to look very hard to find evidence of c10 / etcs /11 being buggy af. Coincidentally, when steinbug dropped their dongle api, you had a more stable experience as a user. I use (legit) cubase every day btw. My story has always been straight, you think I'm talking about "cycles" (lol) w/ cubase, but I'm talking about stability. You've already admitted that diva is a dogshit synth in your terms. There is no difference in efficiency; between using a keygen or legit.

 

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No, no, they're right. I have some plugins legit yet use cracked versions, mainly for faster loading. Some Pulsar plugs, oeksound soothe & spiff & Newfangled Punctuate.

Some copy protection implementations can substantially slow down loading times on lower end hardware. Not so sure about raw CPU & memory usage but in theory I suppose it could add up.

You don't need an excuse though. Free stuff rocks.

 

Well when you're making assumptions . . .

I am a legit user and I'm complaining. I don't use cracked, well anything.

 

Absolutely. I said that in my first comment about this. Even though you seem to be able to comprehend what you are reading, unlike some; your example is still not proof of anything. But at least it is personal experience. Someone reading comments in an nfo file and regurgitating it over and over in attempt to appear computer saavy is beyond a joke. It is gaslighting. It takes an untrue or unproven "fact" that first needs to be believed which establishes it as "factual basis" for following statements. It requires a "leap of faith" to be taken with 0 proof of anything. And that is still the measure of "proof" provided by any of those quoting statements in an nfo file.

 

@clone obvs has an agenda: he might be urs' mom? As most people know (?) I bought altiverb (see sister site) but I'd never use the legit version. @clone has obviously never tried to load a project w/ lots of legit (vs audioutopia) altiverb (or any other ilok garbage). It doesn't need a leap of faith. Just a stopwatch.

 

Well done guys, you've turned the topic into a dick measuring exercise....

 

Saw that someone else mentioned that earlier in this thread or another one. Running a ton of v.r. stuffz (plus many v.r. steiny stuffz) on the main prod machine and there's NO v.r. cert anywhere to be found. Not sure where that v.r. "cert" comes from but it's not from any of the main stream releases.

 

Steinberg stuff (Cubase) VR release do inject VR own cert, at least their first releases, I found it and removed it manually. They placed it in a different branch of the cert folder than the R2R version, but its there.

 

Wait, what is this thread about?

 

I found it in the most recent 23H2 build using NTLite.


Was only able to remove it from the image before installing Windows 11.
Could become complicated to remove it after Windows is installed.

Here are more informations about it:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ai/