How would i build a zero /1ms latency Computer ( that can run full projects ) ?

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  1. Trurl

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    It does when tracking.
     
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    There is no "battle" to be had by most Mac users. There is not much that can be done by many of them, and even less of some big benefit to be found by really digging in to the subject. Buy a new one and it may very well result in reduced latency #'s, or buy a new Audio Interface. We don't have some option of installing a Linux as a big gain either, it's already a nix based OS.

    You could probably count the number of threads on this forum about Mac latency being an issue with the fingers of one hand. Most musicians who use Macs buy them to not really deal with this sort of stuff. You can find people who care about numbers more than performance, but they are very few and far between.
     
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    Thank you for proving my point. Look at the RTL numbers, nobody is faster. So your story is the same as mine.
    I have criticized TAFKAT over at Gearspace for being biased to RME, and for just pulling things out of thin air just to fit the narrative that RME has the fastest audio interfaces. RTL should and must be the only way to measure how fast a audio interface is.
     
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    What you want is Pro Tools HDX. It's the reason why big studios all have their HD hardware.
     
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    Without going too off-topic here, I have a lot of respect for Vin (TAFKA), and appreciation for all the years he has dedicated to this subject. I have no reason to suspect that he tries to tip the scales in RME's favor. RTL alone does not tell the whole story. Vin's Low latency Performance Test (LLP) paints a clearer overall picture.
     
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    I'm not sure about his agenda just a suspicion I have. The so called LLP test also deals with other "things" than just speed (low latency). To me that's like introducing new shady stuff into the equation. That's like saying 100-meter dash should not be just about the best time anymore. So the guy in third place wins because he weighs more and has blue hair.
     
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    Wow you are back the Pirate thanks for the info. As I have said before from this list all the lowest latency devices are not USB anything they are PCIE cards or Thunderbolt.
     
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    well, not really, it's just about manufacturer devoting their time to host bus and drivers optimization,
    as you can see in the chart, UFX+ via USB beats PCIe HDSPe AIO just a bit,
    also some of interfaces have results from Windows 7, some from Windows 10, none from Windows 11
     
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    Yes I saw that. Win 11 LOL. Yes RME is great at there drivers optimization. But still speed is speed. If you have more bandwidth to allow for the data to flow them you will get better latency along with decent drivers. I was looking at the RME USB2 and TB device but as a hobbyist musician it was too expensive for me to justify that cost.

    MOTU is crazy in a way they used Thunderbolt 2 then you hook it up to a mac book or a device via thunderbolt 3 or 4 which you need an adapter. Speed suffers significantly. But still you would think that the TB 2 would outperform the USB2. It must be as you say bad driver optimization.

    I am not a Presonus fan boy I loved my Pro 40 FW before. But I can say for the $540 something it was a good buy. It was about $400 to $500 cheaper than a MOTU ES and has better speed. So why should I complain. Also I did an audio test with another from Audiosex guy that has a MOTU unit his was not a ES from my memory. The only thing that came out very good and not excellent was the IHD on the 2626.
    Other wise both units were equal, except the latency which so far the 2626 is very fast.

    So saying it's good is based on my experience and tests not some lies.
    I have the pro 40 ADATED to the 2626 and also hooked up to the other TB port on my pc. It works fine fw over TB.
    This is for others who would like to know and not the know it all MAC person. That can't accept facts.
     
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    A thunderbolt interface is definitely the most important piece of this puzzle. Another Quantum2626 user here. And all the q2626 users here probably ended up with it in our own journey to answer this very question.
     
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    after my terrible experiences with PreSonus driver/firmware support, I will never ever look at PreSonus again,
    their Eris speakers are fine though
     
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    Yes Bro long time no hear. I am glad to see you are still around. How is life going?

    Thanks for the info. I will defiantly check it out.
     
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    Is you MB TB 3 or 4? Have you checked your PCIE lane devoted to the TB buss?
     
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    I was Leary also from reading about issue with PreSonus, But I said let me give it a shot. So far about 2 years all good.

    I can say Fire wire was a cheaper alternate. The FW card was about $25 and it could be used in any PC.
    I read that you can short out 2 pins on the TB card and it will work in any PC. I was not that adventurorus to try it though.
    Since my MB had a TB header.
     
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    focusrite scarlett solo : but i work at 48khz/24bit @ 16samples. not much latency here. cpu: ryzen 5700x
     

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    My Behringer on a (fairly cheap, also Ryzen 5700) new machine has the same latency as my Presonus Quantum thunderbolt did on a 5 year old machine. Times change.
     
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