I like both Legend and Model 72 better than Diva as Minimoog emulations specifically, but Diva is a fabulous all around analog emulator.

 

Shit, overrated bullshit; worst dev evah: they're in bed w/ Tone2 and their (awful) work is the old saying about master of none. Master of bation and API? Sure. Ursula Fuckwit defo has everyone frothing at the pants about his softsynths: only because it kills your CPU, rather than the (hopelessly inaccurate) sound. 99% of the "synth" emu is API calls. Teh Legend (and free Reaktor synths) are ridiculous multiples of excellence, compared to teh uhe shite. Hot garbage.

 

Well, at least we know you're not biased.

 

What's wrong w/ bias @thebert, considering this topic is an extraordinary example of it?

 

Totally agree. Diva v2 (CLAP) will be bring in new features, better CPU use and even richer sound. This year I think (cf. KVR forum with Urs).

 

Maybe i'll give Diva another shot. I tried it and it sounded rather "thin" to me. I choose Repro-5 over it

 

Bouncing and freezing is counter-intuitive and an absolute creative hurdle, since Ableton (in my case) doesn't have a quick native Bounce in Place feature (unlike Logic, but I don't wanna change DAW only for that reason) which has been really painful until recently.

Now with maxed out (and at a price...) Macbook M2/M3 Pros/Max/Ultra coming out already or soon this year and next, it's finally possible to work flawlessly with 98% of the plugins out there without limitations which is amazing, no need to bounce shit and all that. Will wait for u-he to finalize the betas of Diva v2 and Repro's CLAP as well, this will for sure take these plugins to another level worth spending time with again.

 

What can Diva do what Serum or Avenger can't?

 

If you really want to put it that way, feedback is one of the things. Filters can go wild is another one. But even without these, over those two synths, Diva is a shortcut for certain sounds (no modmatrix, no routings). Is always fun to play and experiment with, and in many cases the complexity of Avenger is actually a flow killer. Serum always needs extra tweaks to sound as Diva's filters sound by default. I suggest using the synths for their own specific strenghts

 

Basically, Diva has analog emulation built in on several levels (osc, filter, envelopes), Serum and Avenger have not. Of course you can program Serum and Avenger so that it sounds very similar, but it usually takes more work and the result might still sound somewhat different.

 

Diva is an emulation of some analog gear whereas Serum is a wavetable synth:
How are these twos even related?
It's like comparing a plane and a bike...

 

Or simple than that: comparing a waveshaper vs a neve 1073 emu.


one of the bests of this forum is that, sometimes, i do laugh a lot

will oly change this thread to the humor section at some point? Only time will tell.

 

I've never really understood why people get hung up on filter types.... It seems to me the filter section of a synth is the most basic parameter. What exactly is so special about filters... to the point that people talk about them in a way like it is the most important thing on a piece of hardware... its a filter...

 

Ooh...the Filter Fanboys are going to put a pox on your house and the houses of everyone living within a 15-block radius of your house.

 

I genuinely would like to know because clearly, I must be missing something. I must not know the true capabilities of filtering audio. Does it have something to do with filters+modulation?

 

All I care about is what I hear at the end of the day and having used many bits of real abd virtual gear I really like Diva (and Repro 1) even though I like a couple other things better as hardware specific emulations. I stand by it. Anyone is free to use what they want.

 

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This is an interesting software vs hardware video

 

Juno sounds are cheap and easy to emulate without anyone noticing the difference.

Emulating a Moog is way harder due to the specific nature of its filters. For me in this regard, only Synapse is achieving the closest sound to a Minimoog with the Legend in my ears. I'm sure Diva 'v2' will be even closer to this kind of drift/filter but I'd say as of today computer CPU are somewhat still not able to provide the necessary power to develop a software equivalent to a high-end Moog with ladder filter designs

Repro 5 is doing a fine job of emulating the Prophet I'd say it's really really close yeah. Synapse Obsession very close to the actual OB-8 although I'd like to own a real OB to hear the fine details by myself (I understand each Prophet/OB is slightly different and needs some time to warm up so it probably deliver a 'perfectly unperfect' analog warmth and drift that Obsession/Repro yet can't achieve 100%).

I am also finding PA Knifonium "driven by a whopping 26 vacuum tubes" really good since the actual piece of hardware is so expensive. But it's also highly CPU intensive and I'd love to own the real piece of hardware to A/B test the two. I'd say CPU is still a limitation as of today to reproduce the same level of warmth but perhaps I'm wrong here.

 

Softube Model 72 vs Synapse Legend vs a real Minimoog

 

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Okkay agree, but for bass im losing a little bit the low end.. but! on low mid, mid, high so crazy! So any tips for this?