These loops are made on the first version of Vanguard 1.0 (just msg me) on one of my retro pc's with $20 Soundblaster pci sound card from the year 2000 (using 7/1/2001 drivers). No eq or fx of any kind added. I find there is something good sounding about Vanguard 1.0 's vs. later versions raw output but then again it could be because i clipped these 32-bit loops or maybe the cheap year 2000 soundcard even has something to do with it. I'm not sure exactly. These 140bpm loops will probably need some eq and other reverb plugins etc.. to fit into a mix but feel free to use/remix these loops (if you want). this is the synths raw output on old cheap tech. Don't criticize, its just an experiment. Later versions probably sound exactly the same yet why do i prefer the first version's sound? Lol.

 

Just realized I spelt ''Vanguard'' wrong in the title lol.

 

Vanguard's Trance Gate was the Mutts nuts! ;)

 

First version Square wave?
Second version Saw wave?


Maybe loudness?
There was different default settings in different FL Studio versions

 

Vanguard 1.8 has a switch for "old behavior" which I assume covers 1.0. It's Vanguard 2 that really mucks up the sound.

 

Yeah. There was more like "alias-free oscillators", "output exciter", "limit global voices" which can mess with sound.

You misunderstood him I think.
He didn't use Vanguard 2.
Those loops was rendered in around 2000.
First loop was rendered in 2000 on Vanguard 1.0
Second loop was rendered later in later version of Vanguard. Which version? Idk.
So he used Vanguard 1.0 and probably 1.8 or older.
But definetly not version 2.

Or maybe I misunderstood something?

 

Yeah personally I probably wouldn't want to use Vanguard 2. Doesn't really thrill me that much from what i've heard. They are just modern loops (made the other day) but using old ancient cheap soundcard from the year 2000 (which as Arctic Storm said, doesn't matter what i used as the sound comes internally from the synth itself not the card, although i have my own theory on how fruity loops 3 handles sound compared to later versions). i feel inspired to use hardware with limitations. less is more if you know what exactly to have less of and why. first version of vanguard (1.0) came out back in 2/2004 but even back then it was common to use 2000 era sound cards of course because at that time a year 2000 sound card was still only 4 years old. my cpu i used is an athlon64 3400+ 2.4ghz (754) with 2gb kingston hyper x ram 400mhz. I'm just having fun with old garbage basically. i can confirm though Van 1.0 WILL WORK ON WINDOWS 11 TO which is cool.

 

Soundcard for monitoring, digitizing/recording input (line, mic, instr), output from it to outboard hardware processing.... Inside pc it does nothing to your vst. It is for input analog digitizing, output digital to analog signal (monotoring, listening, or further hardware processing), yeah there are some extra inputs/outputs modes there, optical, adat, spdif, midi i/o interfacing blah blah etc.....

 

Forgot to add all 3 are made on Vanguard 1.0 (to clear up any confusion) I didn't bother to compare other versions because I used to use 1.41 for years. But now I've downgraded to 1.0 and lovin' it.

 

Seen a lot of mixing sound engs saying converters are the WORST investment you can make to improve your sound.
New ones cost fortunes for 0.1% increase.

Whereas some DIY basstraps/diffusion panels at 25 bucks / piece can make your sounds more than twice better

About old Vanguard, you can disable options "behind" the synth to get 1.0 sound
And no problem loving digital/aliased sound : i use plugins to get that sound sometimes.

On guitar, i use bitcrusher to get kind of a fuzz sound.
Like this

 

I was only saying, if he's partial to 1.0 exclusively, that he's going to be even more disappointed in Vanguard 2, which in many ways reacts completely differently to any version of the original. There's no exact compatibility modes available, its basically a new sound engine. Old patches are really just approximated into the new engine. If you dig in deep into old legacy banks, you eventually find patches that are quite different or require EQing before it can be a drop in replacement for old projects.

One time I actually had to use FL 10.9 instead of FL 11, because a project file that relied on DXi plugins just didn't sound as it should in FL 11. No clue why, maybe there's some option that's off by default that makes it sound as FL 10 did, but when people say different versions of FL render projects differently, there is some truth to different versions sounding different, at least at default settings.

In any case, I can relate to being forced to use old versions . I've had to kept Albino1 around because LinPlug Albino 2 and 3 each appear to treat the loaded preset sound different (I mean the FXP embedded in the project file, not the included presets..). Same with LinPlug Alpha to a lesser extent (the quality of the oscillators greatly improved after Alpha 2.2+ so in many cases presets actually sound 'better' in Alpha 3).

1.0 !? you must be joking Did that even have VST or DXi support? I remember listening to FL 1/2 demotunes and they were mostly all sample based because plugins weren't really a thing until FL 3. I probably wouldn't go any lower than FL5 considering that was the first version to somewhat resemble modern FL.

I have Orion around that I'd probably dig into, just to play with its custom version of WASP V and Wave Fusion...

 

Nice. I can honestly say I prefer 1.0 now. its a VST and even works on windows 11 with fl studio 20.7.2. Sometimes the lack of gui options is a good thing less distracting. later versions of vanguard do indeed have more gui features like VCO (or whatever) but to me 1.0 is sick. Not to say you can't get great results from later versions because you can and I did especially in late 2004/2005/2006.

1.0 gui (2/2004)


1.0 back


1.8 gui


1.8 back

 

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Ah I thought you meant Fruity Loops 1.0... my bad.

A few years ago I tested the Vanguard versions 1.1.1, 1.5, 1.7, 1.7.1 and 1.8 - to decide which version I'd want to keep normally. And ultimately decided on 1.8 because I honestly didn't notice any sound difference and figured some of the extra features added were worth it. A mark against 1.7+ was that it seemed to require a registry entry whereas older ones didn't and work perfectly portably. But the serial's aren't machine linked to hardware so it's not a big deal at the end of the day.

If you can come up with some patches that sound different in 1.0 (and maybe equally in 1.1.1?) vs 1.8, I'd be interested to A/B them.

 

just tested 1.0 and 1.8 side by side with fl studio 20.7.2. Using the exact same volume, no master fx, same melody and the exact same preset, there is indeed difference in sound. Even with the ''output exciter'' and '' old behavior'' checked in V1.8. sounds ''darker and muddier'' compared to 1.0. 1.0 is also noticeably ''punchier''.

judge for yourself :
1.8 raw sound demo

1.0 raw sound demo

 

The above 2 sound so close it wouldn't matter at all in a mix. You would never notice the difference. in my ears anyway.

 

I agree with eq and processing you couldn't tell however if you A/B you can hear a difference. 1.0 has more general clarity without added fx.

 

The closest sound to v1.0 is with only "output exciter" On

I tested v1.03 and v1.8 and I noticed 3 things:
1. There is subtle detuning from time to time in v1.0 and make it sounds cooler than v1.8 which doesn't have this effect.
2. I guess button "Old Behaviour" in v1.8 should activate subtle detuning effect but it doesn't work. There is no effect. My version is broken or I am deaf because I don't hear any difference. This button does nothing.
3. v1.0 is subtle more well balanced.*

I compared A/B v1.03 and v1.8 on the same preset.
There is subtle difference in v1.0 and sound can't be recreated in 100% in v1.8. Sound is different!*
I prefer v1.0 sound.

*Now I explain why sound is different, can't be recreated in v1.8 and why v1.0 is subtle more well balanced.

1. When on the v1.8 back Setup you deselect all the options the sound is too muddy compared to v1.0.
2. When you turn on "output exciter" sound is a little too bright and have very subtle different sound like is subtle louder on the sides but maybe it is just a few minutes of eq-ing but sound is not the same in both versions.
3. When you turn on "output exciter" & "alias-free oscillators" sound is little brighter than without anything but still is too muddy compared to v1.0.

So yeah that's why I think sound from v1.0 is subtle more well balanced because it is nice what it is and this very subtle detuning is cool.
Version 1.8 with combining different options in the Setup is too muddy or too bright. Sound is subtle too warm or too sharp.
It is just not the same as v1.0 but differences are very subtle.
Maybe it is a plus and "output exciter" little brighter and subtle louder on the sides than v1.0 was created in purpose.
Maybe it sounds better in the mix


In Attachment Is Preset That I Tested Vanguard With So Check Yourself

 

If he uses Realtek with enable “limiter”, inside Realtek driver, DAW will render it with limiter.

Late 00’a I render all my tracks with Realtek enchantment