Hi !

I created this thread because i spend a LOT of time to get the best from my GE200.
I tested hundreds of preamps AND settings for them.

What i share here work on GE250 GE300 too (not the presets, only captures and IRs)

I share my V3 (and last) pack here (no more tube setting, no more low cut : just IRs, better AC high gain preamps EVER) :
GE200 Starter Kit V3

Full Anthony Class preamps pack :
AnthonyClassPREAMPS

It contains :
-10 IRs : 1 djent, 1clean, 8 crunch/disto
-10 Anthony Class Preamps : the 10 BEST ones ! He made an amazing job on MooerStudio website.
-GE200 Presets for the best factory preamps AND 10 Anthony Class preamps : You get the right IR and much more as "starter" point.
-Excel containing infos on GE200, like bad factory preamps/pedals/noise reducer ... and the best ones. Read it to know more.

You need to :
-make a full backup, if needed. It will store everything, even IRs and MNRS profiles.
-the last firmware (2.0.3 on GE200)
-load 10 IRs in the right order (1 to 10)
-load 10 MNRS preamps in the right order (1 to 10 numbers only, 10 others are the same ones but with original name)
-load all presets i made, using those IRs and AC preamps

You will get the BEST cleans, crunches and distortions on this device.
I spend enough time on it

WARNING : if you ALREADY loaded your own IRs and/or MNRS profiles, your presets using them will not "work" any more when replaced.
Because presets only store SLOTS numbers, not content.
Be warned you start from scratch using my pack.
Or you can add things one by one.

Notes:
I used "preamp" (not "entire") MNRS because there is more flexibility.
Presets will only work on GE200, but it is easy to use IRs and AC preamps on any GE250,GE300.
And find the same preamps directly on GE Labs, too.

I mostly use "BR" IRs for distortion

Big thanks to Anthony Class !
PS : with this last V3, i really kept the best of the best (factory AND Anthony Class)
Use my presets as starter point

 

Last edited: Nov 27, 2022

OK, pinned (for a while) but, in presets section.

 

Awesome work! THANKS so much for your effort. I Agree with you about AnthonyClass Profiles.Those are Killers.
Unfortunately, there is no way to translate your .mo GE200 presets into GE300 ones so I cannot try your presets (Tube choice, settings, etc), but anyhow thanks a lot for your work!.

 

I will make screenshots soon

 

Thanks so much my friend!

 

Here it is !
I will include it in the pack too

 

Some time ago, when I still had a GE250, I've created a python program to read presets into json files. Some time later, I started using Helix and abandoned it, but I was planning to put it into a website for public.
It can read GE200 and GE300 binary files and even convert those to the GE250 json format (experimental).

Just to show how it works, I took one of the presets from PifPafPif and parsed it with my script, the output:

Code:

{
    "name": "POWERBELL DS\u0000\u0000\u0000",
    "chain_names": [
        "fx/comp",
        "ds/od",
        "amp",
        "ns",
        "eq",
        "mod",
        "delay",
        "reverb",
        "cab"
    ],
    "fx": {
        "type": 1,
        "type_name": "cry wah",
        "switch": 0,
        "p1": 50,
        "p2": 50,
        "p3": 50,
        "p4": 50
    },
    "od": {
        "type": 18,
        "type_name": "tight ds",
        "switch": 0,
        "volume": 29,
        "tone": 50,
        "gain": 0
    },
    "amp": {
        "type": 13,
        "type_name": "powerbell ds",
        "switch": 1,
        "gain": 80,
        "bass": 50,
        "mid": 50,
        "treble": 60,
        "pres": 60,
        "mst": 70
    },
    "cab": {
        "type": 30,
        "type_name": "+",
        "switch": 1,
        "tube": 2,
        "tube_name": "el84",
        "mic": 0,
        "mic_name": "sm57",
        "center": 5,
        "distance": 60
    },
    "ns": {
        "type": 2,
        "type_name": "intel reducer",
        "switch": 1,
        "sens": 15
    },
    "eq": {
        "type": 1,
        "type_name": "mooer g-5",
        "switch": 0,
        "p1": 0,
        "p2": 0,
        "p3": 0,
        "p4": 0,
        "p5": 0,
        "p6": 0
    },
    "mod": {
        "type": 1,
        "type_name": "phaser",
        "switch": 0,
        "p1": 50,
        "p2": 50,
        "p3": 50,
        "p4": 50,
        "p5": 0,
        "p6": 0
    },
    "delay": {
        "type": 1,
        "type_name": "digital",
        "switch": 0,
        "level": 20,
        "fback": 20,
        "time": 600,
        "sub-d": 1,
        "thres": 0,
        "sub-b": 1,
        "time-b": 831
    },
    "reverb": {
        "type": 1,
        "type_name": "room",
        "switch": 0,
        "pre-delay": 40,
        "level": 25,
        "decay": 40,
        "tone": 40
    }
}

About MNRS, in my opinion, the high end in the captures tend to have a smooth effect. Sometimes it kills the high end and a lot of times I found myself using EQ trying to create an speaker impedance type curve with Mooer (stock preamps an GNR to some extent). The power section emulation in Mooer, and this is completely my opinion, is very poor. Bypassing and using an IR with power amp influence worked so much better for me.

 

I don't even have a Mooer but I grabbed them anyways. Maybe I will come across one second hand with a good price and then have these ready to go for it. Thanks OP!

 

Awesome Work. Thank you Again . I have tried all your presets and sound superb. I am more inclined though to play with YK cabs instead to OW, they sound more defined to my ears. THANKS AGAIN!

 

@izn444nz Nice to share it
I agree with you, i stopped using "Entire" captures, only Preamp + power amp tube + IR.
Much more choice and accurate sound.

Even on Ge Labs, i tend to use Preamp + Power tube + GIR cabs (anthony class too).

@BagelShaggerz You can try Ge Labs for free on ios (with an USB class compliant soundcard and "camera kit").
You can find 150-200 bucks GE200 second hand.
VERY nice device for the price

@Skellig You are welcome
GE250 and 300 with Global EQ solve a lot of things.
On GE200, i needed to low cut ALL IRs with Audacity (120 Hz 12dB/Octave).

My fav capture is P-MARSHALL JCM800 50W SD1 (4 MRSHL JCM8 SD).
You can play anything on it, from classic rock to modern metal solo

P-ORANGE DUAL DARK 50 (10 RNG DRK 50) is amazing too.
Fat and fuzzy.

Side note : Anthony Class made all the hard work. Not me.
757 shares and the best ones

I will write all my finds about Mooer MNRS soon (digital fizz, gain staging ...)

 

Last edited: Nov 8, 2022

Here we go about the "big post"

Ge Labs (iOS), GE250 GE300 ... use MNRS 2.0 tech.
They can "capture", "profile" different signal chains.

GE200 can ONLY PLAY third party (pre)amp/full chain profiles.

They can be local and/or shared on mooerstudio.com "sample" section, with 3 sub sections :
ENTIRE (GNR)
PREAMP (GNR)
CAB (GIR)

Ge Labs added a "pedal" section on their cloud only (for now).

The only mean to know what is a GNR file is the first letter of the file :
P for preamp
E for entire

Some devices can use third party separate pedal captures.

Not on GE200 (factory pedals only).
I advice ppl to use captures with pedal included on GE200 if possible.
Like my fav Anthony Class preamp with SD1 : P-MARSHALL JCM800 50W SD1

There are two main (pre)amp captures :
ENTIRE chain (pedal)+preamp+power amp+cab
PREAMP (pedal)+preamp+(power amp)

As you can see, there is an hidden point : PREAMP capture may include power amp section ... or not.

Factory pedals/(pre)amps in those devices ARE ALL MNRS captures.

Note : Older devices (like first Mooer preamps pedals) being MNRS 1.0 only (no cab capture) ... but that's another story.
They can't include "cab capture" because there is no "time" variation in MNRS 1.0.

That's why some factory (pre)amps sound bad and digital, and some don't : capture done right or not
Unlike "regular" modelers using the same code for all amps, and tweaking it.

How to know if a capture is good or bad ?

Put all amp knobs at 50
Put your guitar volume knob at the lowest limit, barely audible
Strike any high string and hear if there is any digital aliasing

Those bad captures will ALSO clip (high mids/treble) when hit hard at full volume.
On some high gain amps, it may "work" anyway.

Simple and effective method : i sorted hundreds amps like this

Of course, only do it with the (pre)amps ALREADY pleasing you.
It is only a "final touch", to sort several similar sounding amps.

Note on this point : i already mentioned good/bad factory GE200 amps in the pack (Excel file)
Mooer official, Max Avrusci ... I TESTED THEM ALL too (yes ...) : they are under Anthony Class quality

Apart "PowerBell DS", i don't use any high gain factory/official website GE200 amp.

Anthony Class is the only one who nailed the capture process ... but sadly i can't reach him to ask for details.
Final advice on this point : ONLY try AC captures. There are already 605 preamps ...
Don't loose your time like me trying almost everything

Why i use PREAMPS only, not ENTIRE ?

Because cab capture included into ENTIRE are mostly "out" to my taste.
I prefer to use my own IR/Power Tube setting.

You can try IR with "Power amp tube" EQ curve included too (like @izn444nz said).

Tricks :

• You can reduce digital aliasing by using "INTEL REDUCER" set at 15 just after the amp. It will "eat" high frequencies AND reduce digital noise too. Can help only on some amps (i used it with some factory amps in my presets list).

• Pedal volume should be between 20-30 to avoid digitally clipping the amp input. You can still lower it to "clean out" an amp.

• Don't move amp Gain too far from 50 (25/75 max) : it is NOT a real gain knob, it will affect capture dynamic.
  Use a pedal instead, to push/clean the amp.

• Start presets with patch volume at 75, to get some margin

 

Thanks for the comprehensive analisis.. It is very useful and informative.
All those Anthony Class profiles tend to gravitate to the high gain spectrum, wich is great but I miss some same quality "Edge of breakup" style profiles in his work( I know he is a renowed Producer and metal guitarist here in Spain).
For that style, my favorite is the Ge300 stock amp that captures a Mesa Lonestar (Cali LS), that I can't find in your .xls study..
Have you tried to apply your findings to not only Hi gain amps? I mean in terms of if all your advice (OD pedal volumen, etc) relates equally to that kind of "Edge of breakup" sound. And if so, which are your preferred amps and settings..?
Thanks so much for your work and help

 

AC made some "edge of breakup" captures too.
Try his Vox, ZT ...

Some GE300 amps are not in the Excel because they are not present on GE200.
And i'm more "high gain oriented" like AC.

Here is AC full Preamps pack (with duplicate names too) :
AnthonyClassPREAMPS

I used "CheckThemAll" Firefox extension to download them all. And found some different captures with the same name, but Mooer can't pack them. So i downloaded duplicates one by one.

It seems Mooer shared your fav capture as "Lonestar od Based on Mesa Boogie Lonstar clean" on MooerStudio.
If others want to try it on GE200, Ge Labs ...

Final note : if you want to try my "digital aliasing" trick on "EOB" captures, just push the amp gain at 100 instead of 50.
You will clearly ear the gain structure. Remember to set it back to around 50

You can push cleaner amps with pedals too. Some "smooth" drive pedals can do the trick.
With Level at 20-30.

 

@PifPafPif thx for this amazing work. I am getting my GE300 soon, this will be a good starting point for!

I am wondering, did you ever try the Choptones MNRS files?

 

I didn't tried them.
But listening to the demos, i didnt found anything more than the free MNRS preamps from AC.

Their MNRS Preamps packs are not declared compatible with GE200+ (don't know why ...), only Preamp X2.
With their "regular" presets pack, you only get around 3 MNRS inside.

You can obtain the same sounds with AC preamps.
Especially the 10 ones i selected.

There are 700 in the full pack. No need to pay more

PS : if everyone can post their best MNRS, all styles
PPS : Did you found any good Max Avrusci profile ? Not on my side ...

 

Last edited: Nov 11, 2022

Well I listened to the Landau Deville sounds. And they sound very good. It's one of my favorite amps. I'm more of clean to medium gain guy

 

I did find the Mezzabarba Max Avrusci captures of high quality because it was taken from Real Amp, you can see he has a real head. The others, at least the older ones, he probably captured from plugins.

Anthony Class said in the forum his profiles are taken from Kemper profiles, not real amps, and that the results was not that good so he started making new ones with added EQ trying to match the Kemper profiles.

I admire your extensive work but, to me, his profiles did not work at all, I've tried a lot of'em.

I think Choptones (not only for GE200, but all profiles they do including TH-U, Kemper and so on) lacks a lot of definition in high end. They seem to use a some kind of cheap load to do the captures so that explains the "midrangey" IRs and profiles they create.

Attached some CHP packs for GE200.

 

Nice share !
I will test them now and compare.

About Max Avrusci, my problem is not real amp vs modeler capture.
It is he doesn't know HOW to capture right for years ... and he is the main "Mooer artist", doing a lot of official captures.
As you can see, there is a big problem here.

His captures are always digitally aliasing, one way or another.
Being real amp or modeler.
I will RE test MA Mezzabarba (entire and preamps).
Try the simple test i posted above (roll back volume and note fadeout).

About Kemper captures from AC, i suspect it is EXACTLY the same with Choptones.
But he doesn't say it.

Sometimes, he shows one amp in his videos. But most of the time, you see nothing.
As i said in another thread : SHOW ME your amp wall, or at least ONE capture.
And yes, i know ppl can rent amps. But at least, show them in the video.

To me, Choptones is a scam with Kemper, Fractal, QC and such behind.
Explaining how he can throw packs this fast : it is a LOT easier to capture/profile already made ones.
Mic ing cabs and setting amps from scratch is an ART.

No proof sadly, but i smell something fishy for years.

Thanks for the pack !

PS :
first result on Choptones ones :
Sanat vol1 is badly captured (digital aliasing, not enough gain...)
Bogna XTC vol1 same

JPC2 vol2 : a LOT better, almost no aliasing and good gain level
Best ones : P-CTBJP2D1 and P-CTBJP2D3 with EL84 ( to get more high end)

First results on MA Mezzabarba (speaking about distortion ones) :
Entire are better : at least they don't obviously clip. But i don't feel anything special i couldn't get with an AC capture (even being from Kemper)
Preamps are clipping (too hot capture...once again with MA)

MARSHALL JVM210 DIST from MA : digital aliasing AND clipping ... once again

The argument of "real amp" changed nothing to me : MA can't capture right, and for years.
Apart some Entire may be ... but i don't use Entire

PPS : Tried "P-Lonestar od" from Mooer : VERY nice one !
You can even push the gain to 100 without any obvious aliasing

 

Last edited: Nov 12, 2022

Avrusci made a lot of crappy sounds in the begining. In my opinión mostly until 2022. Then he himself said that had changed his method of capturing and some of his profiles (not all) improved a bit. At least in the clean/ EOB spectrum. His Hi Gain profiles still sound digitally weird to my ears. Recently (a few days algo) posted a Fender Deluxe that sounds nice( although I didn't have the time to test its aliasing)

On the other side, talking about AC if you want to Contact AC, he is in FB

 

I tried to contact AC on Mooer forum, YT… nothing.
I will try FB … after creating an account just for him
I really need to know HOW he made his last captures.

I still don’t understand why MA is still Mooer reference with official half backed captures.
Same with Mooer factory captures.
No one with expertise tested them … obviously.

some are pure gems, most are meh.
some are really horrible.
And you can’t remove them from the device.

There are bad captures, stuck forever in thousand devices around the world.
Nobody else is shocked about this ?

And about MA loosing his time, countless hours for digital clipping and aliasing ?
And NO ONE told him ?

There are thousands guitarists/audio pros ready to do the job right. And some with a simple endorsement.
AC done it for free, right and without any endorsement

It remembers me ToneX debut and half backed “premium” captures.

If any of you can name his fav MNRS/provider
We are still open to suggestions

PS : try
Neko Tri Solo
SOLDANO SLO 100 AnthonyClass (with mid range cab like EVH, 1960 ...)

 

Last edited: Nov 12, 2022