Nobody is bashing Kemper.

But it will certainly make sense to separate real gear like Amps/Pedals, from the Digital stuff,
be it plain, modeling-based, profiling-based etc.


Now, I have tested Tonex and I like the idea..
It certainly takes the Color/flavor of the gear it's profiling.

However I didn't find the response, the Dynamics and touch to be all that good..
While it has some Sensitivity/Depth, and it's ahead of older generations of modeling software,
it still feels like a Static Snapshot kind of thing, if you know what I mean..

I think Neural plugs fare much better in this department,
and being modeled have the advantage of being adjustable in a more realistic kind of way.

But ofc Tonex is a new plug, so there's still room for improvement..

 

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But i see uploaders add in name profile Kemper or KPA , also Fractal. Download only what you need.

 

Yes but if the KPA/Kemper/Fractal profiles are great, why not downloading them ?

 

My take on profilers (and NO, Axe Fx is not profiling, it is EQ matching) .

Kemper : very nice, especially with the settings (Definition, Clarity ...).
You can create your own flavor with those settings.

THU Rig Player : it is a Kemper in the box : same behavior (but CLOSED system).

Mooer MNRS 2.0 : very Kemper like BUT you REALLY need the right captures. Because it can be VERY digital sounding (aliasing, clipping ...).
If you really want to know how it can be accurate, try Ge Labs for free and preamp "MARSHALL JCM800 50W SD1" from Anthony Class.
There are no "deep" amps settings on Mooer MNRS (definition, clarity ...).

Listen to "Powerbell DS" (Mooer own best capture) on GE200+ (not GE150).
Sounds amazing to me.
Like those ones :

Mooer GE200+ is a "poor man" Kemper. Loaded with Anthony Class profiles, it rules for 1/10 Kemper price (as far as amp sound and feel goes).

@zib
For MY needs, Mooer MNRS FEEL better on high gain/metal than ToneX
THU Rig Player too (with cab disabled and IRs).
It is a lot more important than "sound accurate".

Now back to ToneX : "sound" VERY accurate
BUT i can't get that "mid crunch" so easily than on Kemper, Mooer MNRS 2 or THU Rig Player.

My main gripe with ToneX is SPONGINESS : it is SLOW to react.
It can be enough for most ppl, but certainly not when i try to shred or play fast metal.
It become a spring bouncing all around, very inaccurate.
Where is the mids crunch ?
It feels horrible in my hands for MY needs.
I need to test back with last update... but i don't feel a revolution is coming : they marketed it as "clean to drive" machine.
Where are crunchy chuggy killer high gain sounds ?

Quad Cortex ... i'm a bit sceptical about their "commercial model", cloud based.
2000 bucks dongle.
But it sounds AND feel accurate for Megadeth touring and Rabea Massaad

Sorry for the long post
PS : to me, the mid crunch is the main thing about tube amps ... so i don't get how ppl can be happy with no mid crunch pick attack ... until they never played a real all tube amp of course

 

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Thanks for long review @PifPafPif. Where did you get the Anthony Class profiles ?


_ __(-_-)__ _ thanks for legend upload !

 

Here
https://www.mooerstudio.com/index.html#sample?
And search by "author"

Preamps only for me (to use them with any cab IR + power amp).

I used a firefox extension "check them all" to download all of them. All versions and duplicate cleaned them.

Do you have a Mooer GE ?
If yes, i can post my already "cleaned" pack on a special thread.

For GE Labs, you need to use their cloud download.
To find Anthony Class profile (and follow it), search for "HAGEN", you will only find his profile

 

[sorry for off topic] Wow 787 results ! Don't have GE but they are cheap second hand here.
Profiles are named MNRS files that's it ?
I've seen that GE300 is now updated :
GE300 Version 4.0.1 What’s new:
1. New overdrive/distortion models for DS/OD module.
ROD881(Based on Maxon ROD881 Overdrive/Distortion Pedal)
RED AT（Based on JHS The AT Overdrive Pedal）
ODR1（Based on Nobels ODR-1 Overdrive Pedal）
BE OD（Based on Friedman BE-OD Overdrive/Distortion Pedal）
2. New Noise Reducer model for FXA module.
3. New Auto Pan and Stereo Enhancer effects for FXB module.
4. The range of Mono Pitch in FXA has been expanded from ±12 chromatic scales to ±24 chromatic scales.
5. All the Delay effect has been upgraded to stereo delay effects.
6. Additional 30 loading slots for MNRS files (up to 80 slots in total after this update).
7. Additional 30 loading slots for IR files (up to 50 slots in total after this update).
8. Fix some of the bugs in the GE300 device and the editor software.

 

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https://www.tone.net/tonex/users/guitarjonsds

 

Anyone has the latest library file?
Btw. Thanks a lot for the library files and .csv trick!

 

SDS prove the MAN is more important than the profiler choice
Like Anthony Class with Mooer.
This guy rocks : he knows high gain/rock like a REAL PRO....because he is
I will try his free tone (he uploaded it on ToneNet).

About GE300 : you mainly get more slots AND possibilities
But if you only need a good base tone (amp,IR,pedal, some effects), GE200 with last firmware is more than enough.
Features (like capture WITH the device) and connectivity is up to everyone.

GE300 seems updated faster.
But GE200 is the real best bang/buck.

Side note : Mooer is average on effects (chorus,reverb ...)
For the price of a Mooer 300, there are good concurrent products.
Not with GE200, for feel and realism.

PS : All captures (apart cab captures) are MNRS : pedal, amp+cab ("entire"), preamp only (MNRS 1)
BUT pedals third party captures are on GE Labs only for now.

 

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Much appreciated! Anyway you could just upload the library.db file for us Mac users?!
CHEERS

 

Added

 

Great @PifPafPif What is the name of his profile (so we can follow his work) ?

 

Thank you Rodger!

 

Rodger
1. Your base has problems with data tags
2. Version column in the end table (this is also wrong)
3. And where you lost more then 50 profiles?
4. Amplitube.TONEX.Library.exe - stop doing this shit!

 

_ __(-_-)__ _ you are a very obnoxious person Please reflect of your approach to replying to someone you do not know.
50 profiles i didnt like so i didnt add them is that ok with you if not to bad i choose what I add not you.
its not up to you to tell me to stop doing this shit as you call it that is for me to decide.
use it or dont , fix it if you have a problem to suit your own needs but dont complain

 

I will deal with all the problems myself and solve them without anyone's help. But you forget that there are people who do not have such knowledge and they will have problems in the future.
If you do something, do it right, that's all.
Live how you want, I don't care

 

That is Much nicer approach thank you its nice to meet you next time reflect on leaving out the "I dont Care". your replys are getting better
i will remove my share as I think it may of offended you
have a great day my friend

 

I actually don't have an issue with Kemper, AxeFX etc as platforms themselves, but I don't really want to be playing through an AIs interpretation, of an algorithms interpretation of real gear. As I said I see why some people might want that but I would prefer the choice to easily filter that stuff out for myself.