How can I take an audio track where the audio goes lower & higher & make it all match normally ?

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  1. Panakin

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    How can I take an audio track where the audio goes lower & higher & make it all match normally ?
     
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    Depends on the changes (speed and amount)
    - compressor
    - leveler
    - automation

    and any combination of these, of course.
     
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    It very probably goes "lower and higher" for a musical reason, which means when you smash that out you will ruin it. Dynamics are a thing for a reason.
    Or, you're trying to fix a defective track, is that it?
     
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    In this case this is about 5.1 dialogue removal from stuff like movie trailers. The audio is lowered for the dialogue & still there. So surely restoring it in this type of situation is possible ?
     
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    Ahhhh, ok. So you want to take audio that was ducked, and unduck it, right? Interesting. So each dip should be by the same amount. If the clips aren't long I think I might just put them in a DAW and adjust them visually. Or make two cloned tracks, clip out the louder bits in one and the soft bits in the other, match them then bounce them back together.
     
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    I can upload a sample of what such a rip sounds like
     
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    Manually adjusting the level will keep the dynamics of the part.
    If you don't care about keeping the dynamics and just want it all to be easily heard, you could use a type of maximizer that boosts the low-level stuff and limits the overall track volume.
    I put one of those on a sub track for auditioning all kinds of audio without having to adjust for instrument or patch volume, or level of source audio, etc.
    I really like Thomas Mundt Loudmax for this lately, but I used to use Waves MW2.
    Those are two examples where the controls are simple, but there are many out there and others may give better results.
    I mean they might retain dynamics better, or have less artifacts, etc.
    I don't know as I don't use these for a finished product - I have only used them for easy auditioning.
     
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    Here is a sample of such a track -https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EdDkxSaIfD7X0ola0wSnR69u1aVXJO2P/view?usp=sharing-& the goal is just simply hearing it & maybe one way or another edit with it all evenly matched
     
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    The purpose is ALL-IMPORTANT to determine what the best way to do this.
    If you just want to be able to hear what is going on for yourself, the method I suggested is an easy way.
    If you want to create a song using such a file, or you want to re-encode an entire movie library, or you want to do it real-time....
    There are different methods for all circumstances.
    Tell us what you want to do and there are many here who can tell you exactly the best way to do it.
    Unfortunately, I am not one of those who can.... :rofl:
     
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    As far I understood, if you post edit a wav file you need a compressor.
    If LIVE, you need a DYNAMIC (means ever changing) compressor.

    Example: for all Winamp compatible sw there is a couple of plugins (it seems to me RockSteady and AudioStocker) that will keep steady as possible loudness, compressing and making up as the audio evolves.

    There should be also VSTs doing the same, but I don't remember wich ones.
     
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    Sounds like the music was done with VideoCopilot's Pro Scores.
    Ok, I opened the music as a waveform and looked at it. I can now see what you're talking about. Automation will work best here. The ducking is very specific and hard.
     
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    Oh, that could be difficult because the music is pretty dynamic and the peaks and more important the RMS (or LUFSs) is changing quite a lot. An automatic adjustment will probably not work here - if you want to preserve the dynamics.
     
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    This was stated above
     
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    Unfortunately, the only way to do this right is to MANUALLY go in and fix with Volume curves. Spot treat if you will. This music sample you provides has been Ducked by a sidechained compressor from a voice track (or some sound) that was ducking this music track. There is absolutely no tool that will be able to decipher the musical dynamics, of which there are alot, from these sections that you are talking about that have been ducked.
     
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    Automations. That's what I do (almost daily) when mastering songs/tracks. You can automate the dynamic progression to taste.
     
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