when you render to 16bit 44100hz do you sometimes notice differences from what it sounds in your daw?

i mean slight volume differences between instruments as to how it sounds in daw and how it sounds on rendered file or anything like that

or is it exact same as in your daw (when playing back from same monitoring system)

thanks

 

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This could be something to do with the dithering mode potentially.

 

Also depends where your rendering from? 88 KHZ is usually more forgiving rendering to 44 KHZ than 96 or 192. To be sure put a dithering plugin on the last slot of your output bus to take care of this.

 

Did you check whether all the rendering / export settings in your DAW are correct?

 

If you are working in your daw at 24 bit 48khz, why not bounce (aka render the project) at 24/48 and then convert it to desired output format later?

If you are working on a song/track, and you have a pile of processors/fx and virtual instruments such as live midi vsti plugins; I do not understand why it would be a desirable step to jam an insert dither at the end of it. Why would you not prefer to do some type of radical conversion (like sample rate/bit depth) to your entire song without such cpu burden as your entire track running?

 

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I'd also check your gain staging, many DAWs are much more agreeable to playing overly loud tracks than they are rendering them

 

No difference.

 

No. No difference.

 

VSTis with round robins?

 

No.

 

Well, I always had the feeling that inside the Daw, everything sounds "bigger". deeper". And then when you export it, it sounds like something "smaller". But I think it's just a feeling. Sight plays a very, very important role. So much so that sometimes to get an "honest" sound, I have to close my eyes and really listen to what a plugin is doing, because if I see the "GUI" of the plugin, I think it sounds better.
So if we see our song inside the DAW, we see the drums, the bass, the synth, and all the instruments, therefore, it can give us a feeling that we are listening to something "much bigger", and when we export it, and play it in a player, for our eyes and our brain, we are no longer playing several tracks, but only one.
I don't know if you understand what I am saying.
I think it is something psychological

 

No.

 

yes:
1) different stretching and pitch algorithms on playback and render- reason I stopped using Cakewalk Sonar
2) fancy randomized analog simulations on playback/render every time - reason I stopped using such plugins
3) inaccurate automatic samplerate conversion - reason I prefer matching samplerate on items and render, Reaper is fairly accurate, but not 100%
4) rendering at different samplerate or bit depth than project - some DAWs upsample plugins and mix, then render, some mix and then upsample result

 

This is exactly why I usually don't engage in discussions like this anymore. It's an endless display of numbers and algorithms and why one is better than the other?

Take my advise and go and make music! Forget about these discussions!

No one will listen to an 'upsample rate'. No one will hear if it was rendered in Reaper or Cubase!

Go make music!

If it sounds and feels good to you than it means it's good!

 

People in audio seem to care about accuracy in their work for some strange reason. Using things such as units of Measure, are quite standard in any field that uses numeric data.

Maybe the "my 60$ DAW sounds the same as your $600 DAW software" topics may be of more interest to you. They are frequent and often lively discussions.

 

No but they'll put it in analyzer and bitch about it...