First PC Intel Core i5 8600k @ 6x 4.6 GHz RME Digiface USB 48 kHz 2048 samples / 43ms buffer

Test 1 ~505 MIPS


Test 2 (CPU meter is in top right at 2%)


Test 3 first dropouts at 12 instances


Second Laptop Intel Core i5 1240P 4x 4.4GHz + 8x 3.3 GHz RME Digiface USB 48 kHz 2048 samples / 43ms buffer

Test 1 ~606 MIPS


Test 2 same 2%

Test 3 was still running without dropouts at 15 instances but the fans went crazy and this laptop is brand new so i stopped

 

Last edited: Oct 5, 2022

26, usuable 28 max (not very usuable lol)

 

Your problem is heat, it shuts off because it is overheating. Clean the inside, replace the thermal paste with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut.

 

We had a little missunderstood.
MrLyannMusic copied empty plugins that doesn't do nothing hehe.
But We have now this clear.
26 instances instead of 44.
But 26 is still the best result in number of instances at the same time.

 

Yeah this argument that most of the VST's are single core and argument that Intel has the best single core performance.
These arguments for years prompted me to choose an Intel processor.
They gave a impression of his superiority.

But what is in the reality right now?

It looks like Intel better single core performance doesn't help so much. I think that those 2 instances more was achieved by 2x more RAM in the PC configuration. If I have right looks like Intel better single core performance not only doesn't help so much but completly doesn't matter in Audio Production.

So it looks like Intel vs AMD battle is no more equal. AMD started to win of the Audio Production field.
It looks like Intel better single core performance was an illusion. Here are the proofs.
AMD CPU's are much cheaper than Intel and started to be better.

What is your thoughts?

 

I thought hard about Getting a AMD over Intel. The 10% faster on single core Proc is why I spent the extra money on Intel.
I thought it would be better to have it and not need it, that not to have it and need it.

 

intel 10th gen is 2 years older than ryzen 5000 you can't compare that

there are no magic skills necessary to just look up single core perforance

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

also lets say you got a cpu that can run 2 instances per core without dropouts, you do the math... more cores = more instances

in addition intel has always been the safe bet for latency and driver compatibility

 

That's a very narrow way of looking at it, you need to understand that cpus are only half the picture, ram quality, ram timing, motherboards capabilites, silicon lottery, overclocking and tweaking and let's not forget cooling they all have an effect, and let's not forget one thing, Intel CPUs takes less of a hit when using a lesser lower end ram compared to AMD, at least that's the case before the 12th gen... the only real advantage is the cache.

I took the time to tweak and optimize my system on a bios level to get the best out of it for audio work, i could push for more but my 360 aio is reaching it's limit...

 

Yes I forgot to mention about the Latency and Driver thing. I got a Asus z490 F added thunderbolt card in also.
Tried USB 2 latency was just to high for recording guitar. It was worse than my old Fire wire Focus rite pro 40.
I also have it Water cooled. I don't over clock at all ,I have not had to, more than enough power for my needs.

 

What you can do is actually push your cpu cache (aka North bridge) usually it run's at 3ghz, push it to 3.1-3.2 ect ect, just make sure you're stable after each boost, after that you can try to tighten your ram timings these two alone can help with latency without even the need to dive deeper...

use aida64 cache and memory benchmark for a base line then after you tweak and test for stability by running the benchmark.

you say you have watercooling, i do suggest you take advantage of that and lookup how to oc on your exact same motherboard, you could be leaving some performance on the table.

 

Well, that should make your laptop reach its highest clock

Hell yeah

When you're really using the plugins is within a DAW. Better single-core performance it's important for a number of reasons but of course all the cores are eventually used.
So faster single-core and comparable or a bit inferior multicore is better for DAW work.
But if you have 10% more single-core but 30% less multi-core than other CPU it's probably better the latter. I am making up the numbers but you get the gist of it hopefully.

Since the AMD Zen2 (3K series) release Intel still had always better single-core performance and AMD better multicore. With the Zen3 (5K) AMD took the single-core crown to intel, but since the Intel 11K they have kinda trading blows in single-core. The Intel 12K beat AMD (except for the AMD 5800x3D beast. These days both AMD (Zen4, 7K series) and Intel (13K) are presenting their next gen so will see.

PS. there're many other subtleties but I'm lazy
PS2. nice memes and jokes

 

When I was performing tests on this new Intel mobile laptop I posted earlier, I found that I can run more diva instances with untouched sound, with the multicore option DISABLED. While on AMD laptop R9 5900hx, they could run better with multicore but I could only run properly, 1 for each thread (8 cores, 16 threads) so 16 divas. In the intel DAW with multicore disabled I managed to run 71 divas a rich preset and 140sh divas on init preset. (14 cores, 20 threads). with uhe multicore enabled in Intel 16 divas cut the sound. I am still confused by this.

I would still take AMD over Intel of the same league and price, and this is a subjective opinion but I think for audio AMD runs smoother.

For a desktop DAW
AMDRyzen 9 5950X
vs
IntelCore i9-12900KS
it both the same price
I would take the AMD...

 

I am thinking about AMD Ryzen 9 7900X
Isn't better and cheaper than 5950X?

Or maybe AMD Ryzen 9 7950X
It depends when I decided to buy it.
Maybe I wait for new releases.

 

yes definitely that 7950x is better, I was not aware of it, if it is cheaper than 5950x, it is the one.
or the 7900X
7950x>7900x>5950x

The 5950x overwhelms people, cannot imagine how great is the 7950x


please check the page I posted
https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-9-5950X-vs-Ryzen-9-7950X
the performance rating can be taken for granted.

The first 500 processors there, are very good for producing.
now imagine the #23 (7950X)...
it can fly.

 

this video was from a year ago, the Intel 12 architecture was not a released, so was kind of obvious the AMD will win, but the vid illustrates the processing power of that thing.

Should You Upgrade to AMD Ryzen for Music Production in 2021? #intelvsamd #cubase #windows10 - YouTube

For people looking for Intel; I think only the X/K processors can be overclocked such as 10900X or 12900K. Others could be overclocked, but are limited. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

Don't remember what letter but is true. Besides that, you also need an expensive-ass motherboard. Without that not only can't overclock but they lower the natural RAM max frequency of the CPU.
Go Intel, hooray. BASTARDS!!!

 

AIDA64 is honestly trash for stability testing, i can run that for days with my cpu oc to 5,1GHz, i suggest using Linpack Extreme, if that runs a couple of minutes you know you are stable.

 

13900k is also available soon with 5,8 GHz boost clock, these are the new AMDs already and you are forced to buy expensive DDR5 for these, with Intel you can still go for DDR4

 

I wasn't talking about stress test i was talking about benchmarking memory timing using the "aida64 cache and memory benchmark"

I suggest you check it out.

 

Last edited: Oct 7, 2022

Look I am not saying Intel is better than AMD. I had the first AMD 64 bit proc. It was great but for me right now it is Intel. Your chose is your choice. This post was just to give info on my chip to others that was my intention.