Hi Audiosex!!

I'm starting to get a lot of new software that won't install and I get the now famous "out of memory."

since my PC is pretty old I'm starting to think about getting another. I'd hate to buy another old Pc that is slightly better only to get that same "out of memory" trick.

There are many posts about High level PCs, Top Specs, and all.
Maybe it's time to look at the low end stuff. (My PC is available for 100 euros!)
Who has the oldest PC that doesn't get "out of memory?"
i5 and up.

my system summary:

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version 10.0.18363 Build 18363
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name OPREKIN-PC
System Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
System Model HP Compaq Elite 8300 SFF
System Type x64-based PC
System SKU D8F12UC#ABA
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470T CPU @ 2.90GHz, 2901 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Hewlett-Packard K01 v02.90, 7/16/2013
SMBIOS Version 2.7
Embedded Controller Version 255.255
BIOS Mode Legacy
BaseBoard Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
BaseBoard Product 3397
BaseBoard Version Not Available
Platform Role Desktop
Secure Boot State Unsupported
PCR7 Configuration Not Available
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.18362.752"
User Name OPREKIN-PC\NOIZEZ
Time Zone W. Europe Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 7.88 GB
Available Physical Memory 6.18 GB
Total Virtual Memory 9.13 GB
Available Virtual Memory 7.56 GB
Page File Space 1.25 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
Kernel DMA Protection Off
Device Encryption Support Reasons for failed automatic device encryption: Hardware Security Test Interface failed and device is not Modern Standby, WinRE is not configured, TPM is not usable
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware No
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection Yes



Thx for your input!

 

Every PC will get "out of memory" when the memory is full. The question is how much memory do you need. If you don't have enough, you can upgrade it in many cases.

The Compaq Elite 8300 SFF supports up to 32 GB of RAM.

 

My music production PC is an i5-3570 with 16gb ram. Not once have I gotten an out of memory error.

It still runs Windows 7 though and isn't internet connected. Also my daw projects are small and without much complexity.

 

do you need a meme ?

 

It all depends on what you want to do, but the above states that there is not very much room for anything?

You probably could get 8.00 GB extra for this pc? But I would really advice to move on to a newer system with at least 16GB.

 

Thanks a lot for all your contribution. now it seems like a no brainer! I come from a time when 1 mb of ram was a great innovation.
worse than Rumpelstiltskin.

 

Steinberg - Cubase: CPU minimum (Windows) Intel® Core™ i5 (4. Generation) oder AMD Ryzen™ RAM minimum 8 GB
If money is tight, ebay users sell used discontinued models.
Source: www.steinberg.net/system-requirements/

 

Ask yourself this. Do you need state of the art software to complete the tasks you need to create for? Because I guarantee you, nobody cares about the state of your computer, only that what you create sounds good.

There is plenty of software available to you that will STILL not run you out of memory with the specifications you currently have!


Don't forget, you can bounce stuff to audio as well. This uses up only the memory it needs to run the initial plugin.

 

16GB of RAM should allow you to work comfortably under most circumstances.
If you're working with orchestral libraries, you should look into getting quite a bit more RAM, however much you can reasonably afford.

I'm surprised you're struggling that much with 8GB though.
Have you tried closing a bunch of programs you're not working with and tabs in your browser?
Or maybe even less RAM-hoggy plugins/programs?

 

That is for sure. I certainly don't need anymore new updates or anything. probably forever.

 

I'm not struggling. I have never topped out on REM.

It's some new vsts like:
Waves.Complete.v2022.09.12.Incl.Emulator-R2R
Fuse.Audio.Labs.Plugins.Bundle.v2.3.0.Incl.Keygen-R2R
Kush.Audio.Omega.A.v1.1.0-R2R
Reason.Studios.Reason.v12.2.8-R2R
PSPaudioware.PSP.Echo.v1.5.0-R2R
Sonalksis.All.Plugs.Bundle.v3.2.0.Incl.Patched.and.Keygen-R2R

and several other tha't won't install. during the install I get an "out of memory" pop up.

 

If you delete Waves and use other plugins, your PC should be enough for making music. Or you use an older version of Waves.

Waves 14 - System Requirements - Windows

CPU
Intel Core i5, i7, i9, Xeon (all Gen 5 and above)
AMD Quad Core
AVX Support required

Memory
Minimum: 8 GB RAM (16 GB recommended)
16 GB free disk space on the system drive

Operating System
Windows 10 64 bit (21H2)
Windows 11 (21H2)

Screen Resolution
Minimum: 1024x768
Recommended: 1280x1024 / 1600x1024

Source: www.waves.com/support/tech-specs/system-requirements

 

8 GB RAM is enough to install everything.
Out of Memory, do you have some concrete examples, screenshots would also be helpful.
Most of the time the out of memory problem is not caused by the RAM but somewhere else.
Are there any memory hogs running? Check the autostart?
Virus scan?

 

I would clean up the autostart thoroughly. Have you ever consulted the event viewer?

Spoiler: Manually managing the Windows pagefile

Manually managing the Windows pagefile

Here’s how you adjust the virtual memory settings on Windows 10 (the procedure is similar for older versions of Windows.) The goal is to set the pagefile settings so that they are large enough to handle the size of all simultaneous VirtualAlloc() calls made by every CL.EXE process that is trying to load a PCH. You can do a back-of-the-envelope calculation by multiplying the size of the largest PCH file in the build by the number of CL.EXE processes observed in the task manager during a build. Be sure to set the initial size equal to the maximum size so that Windows never has to resize the pagefile.

1. Open the Control Panel
2. Select System and Security
3. Select System
4. In the Advanced tab of the System Properties dialog, select the Performance “Settings” button
5. Select the Virtual Memory “Change” button on the Advanced tab
6. Turn off “Automatically manage paging file size for all drives” and set the Custom size. Note that you should set both the “initial size” and “maximum size” to the same value, and you should set them to be large enough to avoid the OS exhausting the page file limit.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/precompiled-header-pch-issues-and-recommendations/

Spoiler: Workaround

workaround

To work around this issue, manually configure the page file size. To do this, proceed as follows:

1. Press the Windows logo key and the Pause/Break key to open System Properties.
2. Select "Advanced system settings" and then select Settings in the "Performance " section on the "Advanced " tab .
3. Select the Advanced tab , then select Change in the Virtual Memory section .
4. Uncheck Automatically manage paging file size for all drives .
5. Select "Custom Size " and then set the "Initial Size" and "Maximum Size" values for the paging file. It is recommended to set the initial size to 1.5 times the amount of RAM in the system.
6. Select "OK " to apply the settings, and then reboot the system. If you continue to get "out of memory" error messages, increase the "initial size" of the page file.

https://learn-microsoft-com.transla...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

Last edited: Oct 2, 2022

I know for a fact that one installs just fine on a system with 4GB RAM, even with a DAW and browser with 20 tabs in the background.
There might be something wrong with your system.

 

Available memory is physical RAM plus virtual memory. Do you have enough SSD storage free and have you set any fixed limit on virtual memory size?

 

only tiny wall in autostart, never a browser open, I added about 3.5 virtual gig to ram, fresh restart... no dogs aloud!
same problem.
must be something with my system. I'll study the event viewer.

 

I can recommend the free Sysinternals Process Explorer, now hosted on the Microsoft site.