What Scale/Chords are used in these ?

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  1. Crinklebumps

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    The type of orchestral music in the clip seems pretty generic to me but these types of composers often employ a great deal of knowledge in their simplicity, there are many devices they use to create certain moods. I would highly recommend watching all of Guy Michelmore's videos where he creates music because he often explains these techniques. He works in the industry and has scored famous movies and TV shows as well as teaching at an acadamy. Having worked as a BBC news presenter he's very good in front of a camera and is very engaging.

     
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    Yes he is a really likeable and funny (haha) guy and very skilled. He translates the complex simply and is very good at doing that. His channel is worth subscribing to.
     
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    There are many spoilers below, obviously wrote far too much :(. But I think the topic is interesting enough to justify it.

    Answering this question...
    The fast answer to @RobertoCavally's question is just this...
    The D# is the root note of the phrygian-dominant scale
    and this could be seen as the fifth mode of G# harmonic minor scale.


    But it's far more interesting to see that in the table in the Part 5 Conclusion spoiler below.
    That will hopefully be enough for @RobertoCavally and others that are already in gear.

    This is clearly not a beginner level discussion, so I feel obliged to provide the usual disclaimers and advice that I've made on similar occasions.

    If you hear a musician say...
    "I just know that piece of music, and I like the chords, and I know how to improvise over those chords and make it sound good, and I don't give a rat's ass about all that diatonic theory crap"
    just believe them, they really are doing what matters most!
    Always explore actual music in preference to theory - every time.
    So, in your bag of musical tricks, if you've already figured out that altering a minor chord to a dominant 7 chord sometimes sounds terrific, then great; it takes just a few minutes to learn that. And then in comparison it's embarrassing to note that it can take months of study to go down the theory rabbit holes to work out why it actually works - but who cares? just move on to adding more musical tricks to your toolbag. The theory is always just an optional extra hobby.

    Theory advice - for anyone that wants to find more basic stuff before reading this.
    See this comment from another thread
    https://audiosex.pro/threads/changing-keys-in-hip-hop-pop-music.51666/#post-448094
    and an extract from that post...
    Personal opinion:- I think there's no getting away from needing some music theory for a topic like 'key changes' unless the key changes are just crude and simple examples. I also suggest it's really useful to have a basic grasp of what modes mean.
    So first off, if anyone needs it, here are some highly recommended videos for the basics...

    http://www.daveconservatoire.org
    and especially watch the videos about keys and modes
    http://www.daveconservatoire.org/topic/key
    http://www.daveconservatoire.org/topic/modes
    Work through as many of the recommendations from above as you feel are relevant (for you) and then come back to this thread when you know you're ready for it. Don't feel intimidated if that takes months!


    The conclusion first
    Note how those numerals columns are just different perspectives.
    They can be where a lot of pointless misunderstandings come from.
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    If you understand the table and the comments in the above spoiler- you're done.

    Otherwise, or in addition, read the longer explanations in the spoilers below.
    They start by pretending the example was purely diatonic, with no altered chords, and then, building on that diatonic foundation, they eventually discuss the implications of that actual altered chord; i.e., what it's (briefly) doing to the underlying tonality.
    Don't forget to end up back on the first spoiler (Part 5. above) as the conclusion.

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    Don't forget to end up back on the first spoiler (Part 5. above) as the conclusion.

    As always please ruthlessly expose any howler typos and/or errors
    (corrected 3 myself so far :()
    and/or please just criticise the subjective perspectives being offered here.

    Cheers
     
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  4. BaSsDuDe

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    I actually read all of that including the spoilers. Please give me advance notice when you intend to do a slow answer. The worst part about it was I actually understood what you were saying. :facepalm:

    Also this bit below - I agree and disagree which I will say why quickly - it is not that you are wrong because you are not, it is just that it applies under certain conditions being met.
    As someone who is definitely focused on performance, I can say without the strong theoretical background, I would never have learned as much about how to put it into practice without it.
    This leads to the "GREY" area - I wholeheartedly agree that that the improvising over any chords is the real deal, but the without the whole enchillada of both knowing and over time, hearing the theory, they won't become a great improviser. You can 'throw it away and play' as Charlie Parker implied, but what he meant was learn it first, then put it to the back of your mind and let your ears do the hard work. :winker:
     
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  5. justsomerandomdude

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    I was refering to this post fyi.
     
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