What I said above, is that in my case, and in a friend's case, we have not noticed any audible difference, and the better equipment than me, that is, I may not hear it because my hardware is not that good, or my ears are very bad. But beyond that, I don't think it matters if there is a significant difference. I don't see videos where you are recommended to use a Daw because its audio engine is better, if it exists, could you share it? Is it to say that a company says in a promotional video that it is better to use their daw because their audio engine is better? exists? Tell me where, so I learn.

 

So the producers who have all been doing critical listening and mixing professionally, plus the army of programmers required to make these applications; are all involved in some vast conspiracy to say they are different. For what, to sell us upgrades we don't need?

 

Here is a test of a person who recorded with 7 different daws, then reversed the phase, and there is no difference. This in Spanish. But just by seeing and listening you can realize that there is no difference. Can you hear it? I do not.

 

Recording and Playback are a pretty low bar to set for a paid application. Does he process anything in the example?

 

It uses some effects but it doesn't process them, it just applies them to the track. So you say that if it processes it, if there is a difference? Why can't I find any video where the difference is shown? Because there are many theories, but verification?

 

It doesn't really concern me what it shows. Using a simple null test to compare daw software packages is the product of someones agenda.
Which is what I expected to see. No processing at all internally to the DAW with complex functions. So it's almost irrelevant to the discussion. A null test showing that A and Z are both the same with no account for anything in between, but measurement at those 4 points does not prove anything but the 4 points.

 

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well I will tell you something to be able to affirm something and say that it really is so, proof is needed. If you don't have proof, it's just someone's opinion. Evidence that one daw has better sound than another? 0 found. As long as there is no evidence, it is the opinion of each one to say that they feel that a daw has a better sound, it is valid, each one can say what they want. But as long as there is no evidence. It's just an opinion.


Another null test video. Where he applied several processes:

 

It goes without saying

 

Null test from several ppl around the world is the final proof.
ppl simply BELIEVE there is a difference.

At this stage, it is just a religion.
Like ppl repeating the same thing again and again until the world change.

Did you seen ANY result ?
Not me

Now you can turn your Tibetan roll and say 1000 times : "DAWs have a different sound"

 

Maybe, I say maybe, he wanted to point out that it depends on MIDI implementation chart, in past I had difficulties with old hardware, but modern VSTs in DAWs seem not to be concerned much about.

I'm really confused: the same VST with the same settings applied in each DAW should null the sound: why they're so loud?

 

I am perfectly fine with just using logic for everything. But some guys who use Logic prefer to use Cubase, solely for mixing because they supposedly sound different. What's that all about then, just more marketing? You think so?

 

They THINK it sounds different.
The result DOES sound different, but the DAW does NOT 'sound' like ANYTHING.
It has NOTHING to do with the code running the DAW.
It has to do with the PERSON running the DAW and the DAW's use.
If a DAW sucks ass, then people will think it "sounds" like shit, because it makes it hard to do anything and you fuck everything up.
If a DAW is great, it makes things easy and you will do your best work and people will THINK it "sounds" better.

In my PERSONAL experience they ALL sound like SHIT, but that is because I SUCK and have no skill.
My cousin's DAW is FL Studio and it must be the best in the world because his songs sound great.

People are fools.
THAT is the difference.

 

I believe that what often happens is something psychological, and closely related to the appearance of the Daw, vst, vsti, etc. "GUI"
Many times I got the feeling that a Vst sounded better, just because of its GUI, but then closing my eyes and comparing it with another one that fulfills the same function, there was no audible difference.
With Cubase it has also happened to me many times that I feel that it sounds "prettier" or "better" but this is due to the visual (in my case). If you think that Daw your music will sound better, I think you are putting an additional vote of confidence to what you do a +1, because you will have another energy when working with that Daw in your mind will be "Here my music will sound better" And it will sound better because you believed that. But if we put aside how "cute" a Daw, Vst, Vsti can be, we could have the same or better results.
The same thing happens with free VSTs, we think they will sound bad because they are free, and a paid one will sound better because it is paid. This is very psychological. Many free plugins are at the same level as a paid one.

 

If one can hear it and if it even matters is as subjective as it is objective. Developers do mention it every time they upgrade the audio engine at least Steinberg does and i am pretty sure others state it as well.

 

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Basic requirements for a good sound:

- You should choose a good audio interface.
- You should learn how to set the right values in the DAW and the audio interface.

 

different daws, same instrument, same midi
What's the difference?

 

Of course they're are going to be null, they are all the same audio file running at the same bitrate and sample rate. i.e one minus one will always be zero in any daw. and besides that importing all the audio into logic, logic will convert all those file exactly the same.

That test is flawed bigtime and doesn't prove anything.

 

1. It's all about audio, not video, so "seeing" isn't relevant in this case
2. I don't believe the youtube streaming has an appropriate quality (mp3 vs WAV)

PS. I don't hear there Magix Samplitude, Harrison mixbass, Acoustica Mixcraft, Cool Edit (and its AA reincarnations) etc...
and at last where is the SAWstudio? Bring it to the studio!

 

So when you are in Logic and you change the Flex Time algorithms, or whatever. You can hear the difference, right? Isn't that the whole reason those are coded into the program? Ok, so that small change in math within a program sounds different. Every change is the output of more internal math to the program. Summed, all over the place. So in a program with however many millions of lines of code; would your money would really be on red or black on this one that you end up with same results? Me neither. I don't even understand this, but some people play the lottery too.

 

Agreed, beside most people choose their DAW based on workflow preference anyway.