How can I synthesis a sound of instrument from an audio in Max8? (electric guitar)

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    Sorry for my stupid question. Are there any methods? Maybe some articles on this topic? I want to reconstruct the sound of an electric guitar. Would it be a good idea to start by creating a simple guitar sound based on the Karplus–Strong algorithm?

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    Wait a minute. I'm confused. Was this guitar synthesized? If so, then on what synthesizer? What is the source of the recording?
     
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    This guitar was synthesized. It was the keyboard synthesizer. Sorry, but I don't know anything else.
     
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    A straight patch of a synth keyboard? I mean not a MIDI keyboard using a synth-modelled guitar plugin/program
     
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    If you don't want to use a sample based synth, I think your best bet would be a wavetable synth (with the correct sounding wavetable ofc) with a lot of distortion/overdrive. Use some wavefolding and phase distortion to get the right overtones and add some subtle randomness etc.
     
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    Thanks for the answer. Yes, I don't want to use samples. Am i right, are you sayin there is no need to synthesize classical guitar sound first, but to try to get sound from generated waves and effects like ADSR and distortion? I have already synthesized the classical guitar sound, but it is very sonorous. Should I continue to do it based on this method?
     
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    The more I listen to this, the more I realize it sounds like it came from a PCM "synthesizer". So, I don't think it was synthesized "purely" via subtractive synthesis, or wavetable synthesis for that matter, but from a PCM sample of an actual recorded electric guitar.
     
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    it doesnt sound like a real guitar to me either.

    I would try to recreate the basic synth sounds with a softsynth (sylenth1, Serum, etc) and then slap some overdrive/distortion simulation on it.

    There is no need to engange Cycling74 Max here, imo.
     
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    GUITAR SOUNDS FROM THE SYNTHESIZER
    Apr 18, 2016 , Categories: Workshops ; Written by: Francis Préve
    No guitar - no problem!



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    The guitarist doesn't always have to be at the ready when you just need a guitar. With these four steps you can create your own guitar sounds from the synthesizer.

    When I was working on a project recently, I needed some guitar sounds, specifically a metal riff, to round out the arrangement. As fate would have it, my "default" guitarist was on tour. But since I had a deadline, I had to create the guitar by hand - with synths and effects.

    I could of course have used a sample library, but I'm a fan of taking on challenges. That's why I decided to start from scratch and see what's possible. Within a few hours I had amazingly convincing parts that fit perfectly into my project. Here I show how I did it:

    Guitar sounds from the synthesizer - step 1
    I could of course have used a multi-sampled acoustic guitar, but to keep my options open I started with an analog synth. Since a vibrating guitar string isn't "detuned" (and detuning can create real chaos if you throw in a distortion effect), I used a sawtooth patch created by an oscillator. Depending on the sound you want, narrow pulse waves are also a good choice.

    Once I had that, I set the filter cutoff to 75% and the amount knob in the envelope was turned to the maximum. The amp envelope got a long decay and release to simulate the open strings of power chords. This is what it looked like in Reason's "Subtractor":

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    Step 1: Settings in Substractor for the sawtooth patch.

    Guitar sounds from the synthesizer - Step 2
    To emulate the strumming of a power chord, I used Ableton Live's arpeggiator because it lets you set the rate in milliseconds. For the guitar sounds I set the value to 30ms. I also added the Ableton Live Chord plugin and put it in front of the arpeggiator to make it even easier to strum. It is set to the tonic, the fifth and the octave above. As Pete Townsend of The Who once said, "Anything but the fifth can spoil the distortion effect." – and I certainly won't disagree with Pete.

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    Step 2: Arpeggiator with a chord in front.

    Guitar sounds from the synthesizer - Step 3
    If you listened to the sounds up to here, it was hard to imagine that this sound would one day result in an electric guitar. This is where the effects came into play. Instead of relying on the overdrive effect of my DAW or similar, I turned to Native Instruments' Guitar Rig, which is incredibly flexible and has really brilliant presets. These are great for such applications in particular, and you don't have to change them at all (or only slightly). For the metal guitar I used the Carlos in Europe preset.

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    Step 3: Arpeggiator with a chord in front.

    Guitar sounds from the synthesizer - Step 4
    Lead sounds are even easier since you can omit the arpeggiator elements entirely. The secret here is to leave plenty of room and work with wide intervals and a bit of pitch bending. For the lead sounds I used the "Dyna Solo" preset in Guitar Rig. The synth patch was the same, just without the arpeggiator and chord.

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    Step 4: Settings in Guitar Rig for a lead sound (Photo: KeyboardMag.com)

    © KeyboardMag.com, courtesy of NewBayMedia, 2016
    https://megasynth.de/workshops/gitarrensounds-aus-dem-synthesizer/
     
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