Hello Guys

I was wondering if I can skip buying the VGA and get by with the GPU on the i7 (whether the 11700k or 12700k )
I don't play games, just music and 3D max Vray, PS, Illustrator etc

will I need more PSU power or more cooling ?
will it give same performance?

thank you for any info you provide

ASRock B560 Pro4 DDR4 LGA1200
Intel Core i7-10700K Comet Lake 8-Core 3.8 GHz LGA 1200 125W Desktop Processor w/ Intel UHD Graphics 630
HyperX Fury 16GB Beast (1 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory KF432C16BB1/16 – KF432C16BB/16
NZXT H510 CA-H510B-W1 Mid-Tower Case Black
Zotac ZT-A30600F-10P GeForce RTX 3070 AMP White Edition 12GB GDDR6
Kingston SKC2500M8/1000G NVMe 1TB PCIe SSD
WD 1TB WD1003FZEX Black HDD
Cooler Master MWE 750W V2 Bronze Efficiency PSU
Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML120L V2 RGB Liquid Cooler

 

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ok I edited the post. sorry I should have done that from the start

PS i need to know about performance also

 

If you don't play games you will be fine with the CPU graphics only. Without the GPU you will also use about 100-200 watts less power.

 

If you were just doing MUSIC (and the photo stuff), then definitely, on board graphics would suffice. But you've complicated things by adding 3DS Max in there... that's pretty heavy on video unless you like waiting a long time for things to render (and even then, you're going to be limited). I'm a little out of touch with how good the new cpu's video is, but I'd guess it would really crawl for 3DS Max and then I assume you wouldn't have ray tracing capability. I'm not an expert on this, but I'd be surprised if 3DS Max would work well on built-in video .

The other stuff (Music, Photoshop, Illustrator) would be no big deal though... video rendering is similar to gaming though, as far as system requirements.

Here's the system requirements for V-Ray for 3DS Max.

 

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Hello @Yellow Raven is this the most up-to-date list, without the graphics card?
Better buy a larger power supply if you buy a graphics card. 750 W is O.K!

 

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Yeah I was afraid it would be so. 3d max, autocad, Revit Vray and rendering is how I make my living so I guess i'd better get that covered.
thxs Pal

 

I am looking into the PSU but yes it will be minimum 750W but maybe Gold Efficiency
frankly it's giving me a head-ache the stuff I need to change is pushing me out of budget so I am taking my time
MSI PRO Z690-A DDR5 LGA1700
Intel Core i9-10900KF 10 Cores 3.7 GHz (5.3 GHz Turbo Unlocked ) LGA 1200 (400 Series) 125W Processor Wihout Graphics
Intel Core i9-11900F Rocket Lake 8-Core 2.5GHz (5.20GHz Turbo) LGA 1200 65W BX8070811900F Desktop Processor Without Graphics
Intel Core i7-12700KF – Core i7 12th Gen Alder Lake 12-Core (8P+4E) 3.6 GHz LGA 1700 125W Desktop Processor Without Graphics
Gigabyte GP-P750GM 750W Gold Fully Modular PSU
Kingston SFYRS/1000G 1TB NVMe 1TB M.2 2280 Internal – PCI Express 4.0 x4 NVMe SSD

these are some of my new options

 

This is the best I can recommend to you:

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For Music only, integrated GPU will do, but for 3DS Max and the rest, you will pretty much need to buy the GPU.

 

The right processor für 3ds max
Single threading applications such as Autodesk 3ds Max develop their full potential with the highest possible processor clock speed. For simple modelling and animation, we recommend a high-frequency Intel Xeon 6-core or 8-core E- or W-series processor with at least 3.5 GHz. For rendering, Autodesk 3ds Max uses a CPU-based rendering engine.

A high number of CPU cores is required to process the rendering processes quickly and smoothly. For complex projects and demanding 3D renderings, we can recommend the following processors depending on your budget: Intel Core i7 9700 with 8 cores, 16 threads and 4.70 GHz Intel Core i9 10900x with 10 cores, 20 threads and max. 4.5GHz, optionally a special rendering workstation with dual Xeon processors of the Intel Xeon Bronze, Silver, Gold or Platinum series. In our MediaWiki we explain in detail the differences between Intel Xeon and Intel Core processors. More than a real alternative are AMD processors, for example an AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper of the Pro Series 3955WX.

The optimal graphics card for 3ds max
To be able to optimally display scenes in motion in Autodesk 3ds Max, you need a performance-optimised graphics card. If you use 2-4 GB drawings, image jerks can occur due to the blockwise input/output operations between the hard disk and the graphics card memory as soon as the graphics card memory is fully utilised.

We recommend an NVIDIA RTX4000 as a starter, an NVIDIA Quadro RTX5000 with 16GB DDR6 VRAM for high-performance workflows, alternatively an NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3070. For the high-end workstation we recommend an NVIDIA Quadro RTX6000, NVIDIA Geforce 3080 or an NVIDIA Geforce 3090. AMD supports 3ds max with the AMD Radeon ProRenderer. AMD has good alternatives ready with the Radeon RX6800TX and Radeon 6900TX. Look out for driver support and AutoDesk 3ds Max certifications.

www.uli-ludwig.de/Autodesk-3ds-Max

 

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There are only 2 manufacturers of CPUs Intel and AMD. AMD has always been cheaper than Intel. The Ryzen series from AMD is the processor that is a serious competitor to Intel. It is not an experiment and a risk, but a processor that you can install without hesitation. GigaByte Mainboard is a reliable, innovative brand. Asus motherboards would be an alternative.

MAINBOARD
GIGABYTE B450 AORUS Pro (€ 88,96)
4 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 128 GB of system memory
Supports AMD Ryzen™ 5000 series processors / Ryzen 5000 G-Series
Form Factor: ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4)
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CPU
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12x 3,7GHz So.AM4 (€ 499,00)
3‎.4GHz / 4.9GHz - Vermeer - 7nm - 105W
www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-5900x

CPU COOLER
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RAM
3200 CORSAIR 16GB 2Rx8 CMT64GX4M4C3200C16 ver4.31 DS (€569)
Samsung 16-18-18-36 1.35v V V 2133
DOMINATOR PLATINUM 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit
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Adata - AD4U3200716G22-BGN 16GB - 2048MX8 - DDR4 U-DIMM - 16GB - 3200 (22) (€ 106,24 x4 = 432 EUR)
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PSU
be quiet! Straight Power 11 750W ATX 2.4 (BN283) €112,90
80 PLUS® Gold efficiency (up to 93%)
www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/1254

Graphic Card
A.) Geforce
Zotac ZT-A30600F-10P GeForce RTX 3070 AMP White Edition 12GB GDDR6 (€ 840,10)
Card length 231.9mm x 141.3mm x 41.5mm
www.zotac.com/at/product/graphics_card/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3060-amp-white-edition
HP NVIDIA Quadro RTX 4000, 8GB GDDR6 (€ 979,91)


NVIDIA Geforce 3080 (€ 2449,95)
NVIDIA Geforce 3090 (€ 2849,00) (24GB VRAM)
NVIDIA Quadro RTX5000 with 16GB DDR6 VRAM (€ 2065,90)

B.) AMD
Radeon RX 6600 XT/ AMD 8GB (€689)
Radeon RX6800TX / AMD 16 GB (€ 1449,00)
Radeon 6900TX / AMD 8 GB (€ 649,00)

SSD / HDD
WD 1TB WD1003FZEX Black HDD
Kingston SFYRS/1000G 1TB NVMe 1TB M.2 2280 Internal – PCI Express 4.0 x4 NVMe SSD

PC CASE
NZXT H510 CA-H510B-W1 Mid-Tower Case Black (€ 76,00)
CPU cooler - max.165mm height
Graphics cards - max. 368mm
Mainboard - to ATX
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I collaborate with guys that work on ArchiCAD, AutoCAD, Artlantis and 3DS MAX. They pick Ryzen processors and AMD graphics and state that's the best deal for invested money.

I worked only with nVIDIA and Intel and have been a happy customer.

I think that this is a good deal for a PSU -> be quiet! Straight Power 11 750W ATX 2.4 (BN283) €112,90

 

@Yellow Raven I'm in a somewhat similar boat, I already bought the 12700k and now contemplating screen monitors and either sticking with the UHD-770 or going with a RTX3050-3090.. wondering what you ended up doing and hows it going for you?

 

Hey there.
I ended up with an RTX3070 it is great so far especially in 3Dmax and Vray, in music I don't think it makes much diffrence.
as for the screens I still haven't bought anything yet, the choice here is limited and I don't want to buy something I will regret later.
on advice though, if you're working in music and need Kontakt, make a budget for those SSDs. those new kontakt libraries are huge especially the orchestral ones.
I hope this was of any help.
cheers

 

Glad to hear it is working well for you! I am considering entry level high-end monitors first to try the UHD-770 card with it and then if it isnt up to task I will buy one of the top GTX or mid to upper tier RTX cards to make everything nice and pretty

I used to be a heavy kontakt user but not any more. Ive grown tired of mega tb libraries and especially kontakts workflow. plus I am mad at ni for not updating their drivers to win11 yet with no customer support or word on when or if they ever plan on it. whatever. I prefer to try making pretty much everything from scratch using hardware synths, raw waves and real instruments, but if it doesnt work out of course I go back to the old way. that said yeah im gonna get a fat pcie 5 ssd when theyre out and fair priced. I'll try to remember to come back here after I get a monitor to share and compare notes etc

 

As you've already read, its pretty much a no-brainer. The RTX card for Vray & 3D Studio Max. Theirs no comparison at all. II just currently built a machine with an RTX 3080 in it for blender, and it is like night and day using the card vs the CPU for rendering acceleration.