Given that Phrasebox is at it's core a glorified arp (and not particularly cheap), I was disappointed with the limited amount of presets they make available.
As you say, there are lots of randomisation possibilities but even when you lock these to a particular key, the output is often too quirky to be useable.

 

Siempre acabo usando chordPulse muy básico pero me da buen flujo de trabajo.

 

Good timing.. I see Phrasebox is on sale now on Plugin Boutique: https://www.pluginboutique.com/prod...9fNbkB_vqN9e9gWM1vP4iUMo1huq7nyhoCEUEQAvD_BwE

Going to pick it up, even though I haven't tried it yet. Pretty decent price for what it appears to do, and gives me an alternative to Riffer.. I think it is capable of doing at least one thing I find a little difficult to do in Riffer (or perhaps just understand how to.. maybe that feature is there).

It's not perfect, but some of the interface looks set up in a way I find pretty intuitive too.

Off to buy!

EDIT: I should have read more of the posts here first LOL.. I thought it was a sequencer, like Riffer.. but nonetheless, I think I can make good use of this when comboing it with Scaler 2.

 

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you might wanna try this:
https://stochas.org/

 

I started to write a list of these kind of tools when this kind of thread came up before. Haven't looked at most of them yet and don't remember what half of them are. There are lots missing and some probably need removing from the list, but hopefully there'll be one or two on there that some people haven't come across before and might enjoy trying: -

Ableton
Snake
Random Chord/Riff/Groove
Modular Sequencer
Rhythmizer
Irregularity
Chord-o-mat
Scale-o-mat
Scale observer
Chordimist
Euclidean Sequencer
J74 Bassline
TATAT
J74 Progressive
Note Looper
Melody Sauce
Chaos Culture Midi Modulators
Asteroids
Polypin
Midifidget
Arcade Series
Polyrandom
Chord Generator
Midivolve
ACDGEN

Ableton Drum/Loop
Autobeat
Sempler Pro
Polyrandom
AutoTrig
Tranzwife
BeatGenSeq

Reaktor Ensemble Gens
Amadeus
Midi Grid
Akkord
Allgorhythm
Automata
Colorflex
Euclideanx3
Four Chords
Hexcel
Molecular Music Box
Motion clusters
Nod-e
Oddballs
Pendel-Recki
Random Molecules
Rifflab
Sort of the rings
SS4.5

VST/Standalone
Transition
HY MMPS/Seq
Kirnu Cream
Rapid Composer
EZBass
EZKeys
UJAM Strings
Midi Madness
Remidi
Nuxx
Phrasebox
Chord Potion
Instachord/Instascale
Scaler
Thesys
HY-RPE2
Melodya

Drum/Loop/Glitch
Regroover
Supa Trigga
Microtonic
EZDrummer
Glitch2
Cataract
Drum Computer
Effectrix
Egoist
Geist2
Looperator
Nerve
Rhythmiq
chrisGlitch
HY-Slicer
Breaktweaker
Ultraloop (Reaktor)
Colourstrip (Reaktor)
Stutter Edit
MDrummer
MRhythmizer
MSuperLooper
Killadrum (Reaktor)
Sensei (Reaktor)
Silverbird (Reaktor)
Sokolov Compurhythm (Reaktor)
Sokolov Manufaktur (Reaktor)
Steps of Chance (Reaktor)
Polyplex (Reaktor)
The Finger (Reaktor)
The Mouth (Reaktor)

Arp
Cthulhu
BlueARP
RandARP
Nora/Noraharm

FX/Env
LFOTool
Artillery
GRM Tools
Fracture
Nuxx
Shaperbox
Turnado
Movement
Portal
Blue Cat
Orbitron
Solar Loop Echo (Reaktor)
Sushi (Reaktor)
Flesh (Reaktor)
FGG

Synth
Obscurium
Metaphysical fabrications (Reaktor)

 

Give this man a medal!

 

Very useful thread!

One of the things I struggle most with is how to come up with variations of an already written melody or sequence or coming up with a B variation of the melodies I write. What would y'all recommend.

 

Let's not forget Tone Carver with tvArpgen - Mbiragen - Windchimes
He also made Nova3 well before Transition appeared.

Some of his archive: https://plugins4free.com/dev/351/

 

Dude u might be so close, but u may not have realized what u r becoming. Through out history the most famous music are inspired by already existing pieces of musical work, like for example Classical music although a few of them are inspired by their predecessors. But this has gone to the point where crazy and stupid crap is getting the recognition rather then ones which deserves recognition.
I am not a music historian but u get the point. Not just music every creative work that humans make 95% percent of the times are inspired by something.

My opinion just don't give up looking for a way to make music YOUR WAY,

My Recomendation (which is appropriate to this thread) if u have already made a melody and u have existing midi either third party or self made through generators or urself and u r trying to fit that in 80% of the times they dont fit in either it will be in diff scale or just rhythm does not fit.
Now u can slice up the midi with a midi sampler like reMIDI and use Scaler to fit into scale, but reMIDI can only chop a midi, after this point dont just use the midi as is, try to change its shape reverse it invert it upside down (mirroring) these stuff can be done with Rapidcomposer, u can drag in midi and use variations there are a ton of them there( for more in depth of detail check their forums). The order of this process can be changed like inverting the midi and then chopping it...
If u just want variations for a melody still u can use Rapidcomposer, but remember not all results it yields will be helpfull but it can show u the way, if u feed the information correctly (ex: steps leaps, octaves, either u want only chord notes or scale notes)

Here are a few things for inspiration, they are by no means using these softwares (i dont know) but the idea is similar

Skip to 1:11
Now listen to this

I am a huge fan of Justice i know its a sample of Andy Clarks element of risk but look at the similarity, this may have been pointed out IDk

Here is someting interesting

not sure of this 100% but there are theories not given much thought to it
Here are some links for tubular bells discussion
https://tubular.net/forums/a-mirror...39bfc10f2da97742f29b28cea32&act=ST;f=9;t=9356
https://tubular.net/search/?cx=000977919935462479577:byezfoksqcu&cof=FORID:9&ie=UTF-8&q=tubular+bells+bach&sa=Search&siteurl=tubular.net/&ref=tubular.net/forums/a-mirrored-version-of-tubular-bells--?s=ea2ce39bfc10f2da97742f29b28cea32&act=ST;f=9;t=9356&ss=

 

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This one might have been mentioned b4 but its worth mentioning here
Frozenplain - Obelisk
https://frozenplain.com/product/obelisk/
Its not a generator or sampler its a Harmonizer. haven't used it in a long time.

 

An orchestration tool which splits or sends midi notes to tracks u assign, but its standalone only i guess.
https://divisimate.com/features/

But its $199

 

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For quick / simple chord progressions and melodies Captan plugins work the best for me.

I have found that it is possible to use Midi Madness with modulations to generate something interesting and evolving )

Scaler is awesome for theory and help with chord modulations.

Chtulhu is great because it has so many chord libraries)

Riffer is good only for riffs.

Never been able to get anything good from ReMidi/Phrasebox

Also what I have found is, when midi is generated, you as artist might have harder time to connect to that melody. Don't get me wrong, I love generative stuff and it could help to get tons of ideas from nothing. However, the best results I have got is when melody was just jammed (and then polished). And also best jam sessions I had while my girlfriend was in the shower, hope that helps someone, hahaha))

 

@MaxBass , I personally use Riffer for generating random sounding arps (plucks). Not the main "riff", but just filling out a tune. It actually does a wonderful job for that.

 

But reMIDI is just a Midi sampler, it just chops existing midi, but as i mentioned b4 this can be made use of by generating midi from any the tools u mentioned above and saving it in a folder, for later use with reMIDI and Scaler.

 

This is for Live Random Groove Generator

 

Soundigy MIDI Lab
Not a generator, sampler or tool for song writing, but a great toolkit for all things MIDI to manipulate or tie it all together. Can be used as a VST. I have been using it for months and just starting to tap into the possibilities.

 

any one working with RIMIDI 2 and cubase 11pro ?

 

I think you mean remidi2.