Recently my Motu Ultralite AVB passed out. I bought a toy called Behringer u-phoria umc202hd. It´s like hell against heaven. With a project of 85 tracks, this Behringer toy, a few more than a Sound Blaster with a external case, has a delay of 10 seconds since I give to play and project begins to play. It´s impossible to work with it.

I don´t want to buy a new Ultralite because of the price, so I ask if there is some intermediate external USB interface for PC that can move a 85 tracks project in real time.

Thanks in advance.

 

Audient iD14 MKII - 222 EUR https://audient.com/products/audio-interfaces/id22/overview/
Audient iD4 MKII - 139 EUR https://audient.com/products/audio-interfaces/id4/overview/

Audient iD4 MKII and iD14 MKII - Audio Interface Review

Audient ID14 MKII Audio Interface Review / Explained

 

Last edited: Aug 13, 2021

What @BEAT16 said. There are really no better audio interfaces with excellent drivers for this prices currently. Maybe some of the cheaper Focusrite audio interfaces will do, too, but their drivers have worse ASIO latency ad efficiency than Audient ones - their drivers are great. You'll like it. The third option is, of course, RME Babyface or something better, but you won't like their prices. RME drivers are the best! [but Audient ones aren't that much worse ;)]

 

from umc404hd to until RME there is totally no audible difference for me,

Overall performance should be CPU bound. your Behringer is apparently not working correctly
I imagine that the 202 has the same ad/da. did you install the driver?
have you tried setting the asio buffer size(s) in the umc control pannel?

Edit1: what daw are you running?

Edit2:
if you don't plan on streaming with software like ODB, I'd recommend to downgrade to driver version 3.29

 

Last edited: Aug 13, 2021

Of course. But ASIO driver in 202 is like Prehistory. No control software added. Too cheap I suppose. No much more than an old Sound Blaster.
Yes I tried changing among 256 and 1024. No difference. Simply this card is not useful for what I need.
Samplitude.

No, I have other cards on the list. I will not spend money in other Ultralite AVB, so Motu M4 or this Audient mentioned by @BEAT16. I liked it so much.

Thanks for the replies.

 

Agree with Audient recommendation, had the iD14 until I got my RME UFXii, it’s a great interface, and you might be able to find a mk1 used at an exceptionally good price.

 

I wrote you a PM, I thought you wanted a USB MIDI hub. The MOTU you have won't come close to 85 tracks unless they are in a DAW. If you are talking about 85 ins and 85 outs I also have just the ticket for you possibly, a MOTU PCIe card-based system, although it isn't USB. I have a 24 I/0 and a 2409 MK3 with a 424 PCie Express card. If you need USB, call Sweetwater Sound and ask for Greg Savino. He will hook you up with what you need. They are either the largest or amongst the largest sound Pro Sound equipment retailers in the world.
As far as what you choose, beware of USB 2. it has severe limitations compared with Ethernet or PCIe-based I/O solutions. USB 3 and up are great. RME is nice stuff, not inexpensive. I believe the PCIe card I have can accept 4 breakout boxes that handle all DA/AD My two boxes will accept 32 1/4" TRS I/O and another 16 TIDIF/Spidif/ADAT/TASCAM digital I/O

It sounds to me like you have 86 tracks inside a DAW. Not 96 inputs and outputs to equipment and such. Behringer is really no longer a prosumer equipment manufacturer. They own Midas and many other companies that are at the top of the game. I would call Greg at Sweetwater, tell him Brian Burke sent you. He knows what he is talking about.
Good Luck.
Look into Focusrite...

 

Disagree.
The new MOTU models.

Go with a long-timer from AUS! Cambridge, Massachusetts!
Can't fault them for decades.

Don't touch them. Anything else can beat them!

 

Last edited: Aug 29, 2021

Just as an opinion I guess. I have had great luck with my PCie card era MOTU equipment and drivers and that is for a windows machine. MOTU is a Mac-centric company. These are my favorites, Yamaha, MOTU, Apogee, RME, Universal Audio, AVID, NEVE, Prism Sound, Bit tree, DiGi Grid, Cranbourne, Purple Audio, Allen and Heath, Steinberg, TC-Helicon. There are more, but on the top of my head, those are all very good interfaces. They all make different levels and money will get you better stuff inside a brand. MOTU tends to be a deal as far as cost goes IMHO. The DIGI-Grid stuff sounds amazing. RME can be top of the heap, or further down, they have some of the best and some not so great. Money spent tends to make a big difference and as I said, if it is within one company, you can shop by cost, not so if choosing between companies. Call Sweetwater, even if you don't buy there. Greg Savino is amazing, there are also many other sales engineers that are good. I thought AUS was mainly microphones, etc?

 

AUS is MOTU, Fosters, Men At Work, Olivia Newton-John, INXS, Kylie Minogue, billabongs, g'days etc.
You get the picture.

 

I see, I was speaking of MOTU as in "Mark of the Unicorn" the makers of sound equipment and programs.

 

So was I before you got here. And you read it and mentioned it, so you know I was.
So you are now playing with me!
I thought MOTU were Australian.
I was wrong! Sorry.
Edited original comment!

 

Last edited: Aug 29, 2021

Finally I bought the Audient iD14 and it works fine.

Control panel is not a marvel but I was used to Motu´s one and I don´t really need so many options for my projects. The iD14 gives me just what I need.

Thanks to everybody for the replies.

 

I have to continue this thread because of the ID14 MKII issues.

Last days there was, and there is a problem with the interface. The driver is installed and I have sound in the PC, but the ID app (control panel) doesn´t appear or appears after restart (why must restart after installing?). You can work with it during the session, but if you restart or power off/power on the PC ID app (tray icon) dissapear from task bar and never appears again. I´m really tired about this, doing a clean installation of Windows 10 and Windows 11 and the issue continues.

Anybody else with the same problem? I bought the USB-C type 3 to USB type-C type 3 cable that didn´t come with the package, drivers from Audient are the last (4.2.1a) but when ID tray dissapear doesn´t back again. I´m thinging in selling second hand and I´ve seen an interesting Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 MK2 in a similar price.

Any suggestion? Thanks in advance.

 

i run my behringer with 1,5ms at home

what does your latency mon and stuff say?

always wonder why nobody bothered to ask , now you are sitting there with another problem and another gear.

if you did buy the Audient new, ask the support, they should have heard every problem under the sun.

good luck

.ps
one big latency problem was wifi driver on my end!

 

As one wise people said time ago (not you), if you have nothing useful to say, shut up. So this --->>> S-H-U-T U-P

Latency? 1.7 ms.
I really mind a bullshit about your Behringer and the rest of you. Try to learn capitals at the beginning of the sentences and not writing only garbage. First time in school was a waste of time for your teachers.
I sit where I want. Kick you ass away from mine. Audient support are so useful as Apple support.
Don´t disturb again.

 

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One should not act so quickly - I understand that you are annoyed - read the following lines. Why do you need Windows 11 now, it's not finished at all. Since the mistakes are already premiered. You should wait a few months until the bugs are fixed.
The taskbar system in Win 11 is completely different - it is possible that problems result from it.
Using the Taskbar in Windows 11 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-11-0657a50f-0cc7-dbfd-ae6b-05020b195b07

Spoiler: 1.) Im having problems getting my iD14 Set up

Im having problems getting my iD14 Set up

To reopen the iD mixer window:

• On a PC, double click on the iD icon found in the system tray or Desktop icon if you have created one. The iD icon may be hidden by default so you might have to expand the system tray.

If you are still unable to open the mixer window or are having other strange symptoms like the app crashing then please have a look at the following. These issues are usually due to some sort of communication error or software corruption, so you should try the following things:

1. Restart Computer and iD14

2. USB Cable

• Make sure that you are not using a USB cable longer than 3 meters
• Try using a different USB cable
• If you were using a USB cable that didn’t come with the unit, try using the one that came with it.

3. USB Hub

• Make sure that you are plugged directly into your computer's USB ports and NOT a USB hub.
• You are able to use a thunderbolt hub without any issues

4. Reset the mixer configuration

• Make sure the iD app is completely quitted (DONT just close the window) with the iD disconnected
• On a PC, go to (C > Users > yourusername > AppData > Roaming > Audient > iD > state.xml
• Delete the state.xml file
• Restart your computer and iD14 and relaunch the iD application

5. Reinstall app

• Uninstall the iD software
• Reboot your computer
• Download the latest version from the Downloads page:
  https://audient.com/products/audio-interfaces/id14/downloads/
• Reinstall the software

6. Check for Driver Conflicts

Very occasionally older drivers from other audio interfaces can clash with the iD14 drivers causing poor performance. Double-check that there aren't any drivers installed on your system that aren't currently in use and uninstall them.

https://support.audient.com/hc/en-us/articles/202394949-Im-having-problems-getting-my-iD14-Set-up

2.) CCleaner Free --> Autosstart --> Windows
Autotstart - Aktiviert - Ja
C:\Program Files\Audient\USBAudioDriver\W10_x64
Please use CCleaner to display the autostart - Please look at the two pictures (file attachment).

3.) I think Audient doesn't support Windows 11 yet.
Operating System Compatibility - Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10
https://support.audient.com/hc/en-us/articles/360055049551-Operating-System-Compatibility

 

Last edited: Nov 16, 2021

If you can, see if you can find a used RME Babyface for 250-300 Euros. Or even find a used Motu Ultralite AVB.

 

I own an RME Babyface Pro and also a Behringer UMC204HD, and it is absolutely possible to work with both of them on Win 10 and macOS. The RME has less latency, faster converters and better performance, but there has to be another problem with your setup that causes this 10 second delay.
But being rude and insulting other people really isn't the way to make them wanna help you.

 

hes going to buy his way out of it, or kick someone... or maybe try hackintosh
i dont know, people willing to help not so much (in his view), just tell him what he can buy
and he will be a happy