WiN 10 :Suggestions on a new Computer Hardware build January 2022

Discussion in 'Computer Hardware' started by cEvin Key, Nov 4, 2021.

  1. Daskeladden

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    before you comment check the prices...It will cost around 650 euro
     
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    at first, January/February is a good time to buy hardware (second best time after October) because you can get previous generation hardware for nice discounts,

    that said, for any audio work you still need fastest cpu (singlecore performance) you can afford, no matter how many cores it has - sure if you go batshit crazy with hundreds of tracks, you run out of power, but in that case you should learn howto freeze/bounce/render tracks in your DAW in order to save cpu resources,

    I won't go into Apple Silicon blabber, but one thing I can honestly tell after using M1 MacMini for months is: SILENCE - you want that, especially when working with audio, it's a very underestimated feature you want your PC workstation build upon,

    means you want a moderately powerful CPU which doesn't heat that much, cool it with biggest air cooler you can find (some 140cm Noctua without a doubt)) and fit in your case, for which you need a big case of course (170cm clearance for cpu cooler),

    and no matter what graphics card you want but need to make sure it operates without fans spinning unless reaching certain temperature threshold (for example my 1080 Ti Strix makes zero noise below 60°C),

    speaking of ram - I can certainly say 32GB ram is what you need, no less, and in terms of future expansion, it's better to get 2x16GB kit instead of 4x8GB,

    and for storage, with nowadays prices being reasonable, I would definitely go for an all-SSD build, one 1TB decent NVME for OS+programs, and another cheap 1TB SATA SSD for projects/libraries (or more if you need so),

    if you prefer AMD, then 5800X will do fine, motherboard choice is mostly personal preference - I like ASUS for their ability to easily control non-pwm fans by voltage, so even cheapest case fans can be controlled from BIOS

    :chilling:
     
  4. aplel1419

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    Don't agree with this at all. I have 3970x and I love how little I have to worry about bouncing and freezing tracks. For example, I have a project with around 90 tracks (with multiple instances of soothe2, Gullfoss and some other basic plugins) and it's not even to close to its limits. I remember when I had my previous computer how I just wanted to make music, and all that bouncing and freezing kind of always killed my flow.
     
  5. nctechno

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    you can just swap all fans in your desktop pc to noctua and you will have silence too
     
  6. FLRIZDARKK

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    241W of power? Well then I would suggest OP to also get a upgrade of his energy plan too. And a high end cooler as well since it basically runs at 20*C idle
     
  7. FLRIZDARKK

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    This is partly true because in order for those gains you also need the top of the line (or close) additional specs such as :
    • A Case with good air intake & exhaust (even for the i5).
    • A large well designed air cooler (be certain that the cooler will mount properly even if it is LGA 1700 design) or
    • A minimum 240mm/280mm well designed AIO with normal thickness & optimized fans.
    • A Z690 workstation/creator motherboard (very few available at launch date). Review boards are gaming & overclocking models.
    • Updated BIOS for motherboard
    • DD5 memory (very scarce & expansive as of launch date).
    • PCIe 4.0 devices for the 5.0 slots at minimum. PCIe 5.0 devices (which are currently non-existent as of launch date).
    • 850W power supply (preferably Platinum rated) as minimum. CPU can draw 300+ watts continuous under heavy work load.
    • Windows 11 Pro or Windows 11 Pro for Workstations
     
  8. JustFun598

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    Not really the case, I work in PC Repair Shop, SSD`s can`t match HDD`s in lifetime from my experience in all these years working there.
    Hell I am still actively using Hitachi`s 500GB HDD from 2005 to this day.
     
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  9. dondada

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    because 500gig uses only one(less dense) platter
    while the newer bigger ones use super dense multyplatter designs
    all drives have more problems now than before
    but 8tb spinning disk is (still) so cheap, that ssd cant compete
     
  10. Olaf

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    Nо, nоt rеаlly. At full lоаd @ аll cоrеs, thе 12700K's pоwеr cоnsumptiоn is cа. 20% оvеr thе 5900X. With оnе thrеаd, it's thе оthеr wаy rоund. Sо, оn аvеrаgе it's аbоut еquаl. PL1 аnd PL2 аrе cаppеd аt 190W. This CPU cаnnоt drаw 300W оr mоrе. Withоut аn аdditiоnаl grаphics cаrd, а 400W PSU is sufficiеnt. Alsо, yоu dоn't nееd аn updаtеd Biоs оr Windоws 11. As оf tоdаy, аll Sоckеt 1700 mоthеrbоаrds suppоrt аll Sоckеt 1700 CPUs. It wоrks with Windоws 10 аnd mаny оthеr оpеrаting systеms аs wеll. Yеs, likе I аlrеаdy sаid, thе plаtfоrm is nоt yеt widеly аvаilаblе, but this thrеаd is аbоut buying in Jаnuаry, nоt nоw.
     
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  11. Zenarcist

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    He's got a 2000€ budget.
     
  12. dondada

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    interesting source please:yes:
     
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    lol 850W power supply... 300w is bs.... 230w rendering, normal use like in daw with high cpu usage 120w ergo 400-500w PSU is plenty without gpu.... 650+ fine with gpu

    and PLATINUM minimum wtf why? you dont even need bronze.... 600w no medal vs 600w ULTRA PLATINUM your pc doesn't care 600w are still 600w for it

    but i posted a easy under 2k build earlier btw

     
  15. KidPix

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    New Intel CPUs just launched and new AMD coming, maybe wait?
    https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-3d-v...ping-available-end-of-december-alleges-rumor/

    Some DAW tests, I wonder how the new Intel will behave.
    https://gearspace.com/board/music-c...-platform-daw-benchmarks-14.html#post15666573
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    https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/fractal_design_arc_mini_r2_review/7
    OK, but the small case limits the CPU cooler size up to 165mm height and motherboard to micro ATX.

    Only CPU+Cooler+motherboard+RAM+PSU
    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3vgsy4

    -The more efficient and silent cooler that fits the case is the Dark Rock Pro 4
    and it is good for a Ryzen 5800X/5900X.
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    - Motherboard


    - RAM 2x16 3600MHz Crucial Ballistix, height = 39.17mm (fits below the Dark Rock Pro 4)

    - The PSU, 850W is overkill, but it is semi-passive and +- up to 410W the fan is off
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    - The GPU is semi-passive, the fan is off up to +- 60°C
    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-gtx-1050-ti-g1-gaming/28.html
    Some tweaks you should look
    https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7624448#p7624448
     
  16. Olaf

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    What exactly? The power limits? You can find them in basically every review or as "Maximum Turbo Power" in Intel's ARK database.

    Screenshot_2021-11-05.png

    The limit can be redefined in the UEFI on many motherboards, but that would be overclocking.
     
  17. dondada

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    we all know what intel write and what's actually happening are two different things.
    that's why i would suggest waiting for some more metrics to come out of
    independent reviews, and before throwing those numbers around, at least i wouldn't :no::yes:
     
  18. denorte

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    Got me a very nice computer for 2k:

    AMD Ryzen 9 5900X AM4 BOX CPU
    G.Skill Ripjaws V 32GB(x2) DDR4-3600MHz C18 RAM
    MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus Motherboard ATX/AMD AM4 Socket
    Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 COOLING
    Be Quiet System Power 9 CM 700W PSU
    Samsung 980 1TB M.2 NVME PCIE 3.0 SSD
    Deepcool Matrexx 50 Gaming Midi Tower
    PNY Quadro T400 2GB GPU
    LG 34WK650-W 34” Ultrawide Monitor

    Maybe it's a bit overkill at the moment, but I believe that 64gb of RAM in 5 years will be something like 16 now and I don't want to buy new computers every now and then
     
  19. BaSsDuDe

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    Under normal circumstances and the world is DEFINITELY not living in those times, I would say wait until the shortage of GPU chipsets is over and you can get a kickass machine for that.
    Until the shipping, importing and exporting regains a semblance of normalcy, the costs are higher now vs inflation than ever.
    Theoretically, for that money, anyone should be able to get a grunty machine but not lately.
    If you can wait, I'd wait. If you cannot, I do not wish to recommend anything to anyone.
    My GPU is selling for double what I paid for it as a new card, and as a second hand item on ebay. So I won't recommend anything because that is wrong on so many counts.
     
  20. Ankit

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    2000 euros is more than enough for this type of production needs.
     
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