This is enough for me to ignore you, "disgreeing" as you say implies being civilised, unforunately friend there is nothing civilised about your tone, again point taken and let's not dwell on the unimportant things...

 

In the video, he mentions the eco button. Which to me means that you can enable or disable oversampling for tracking.
Otherwise, you can use metaplugin from DDMF to oversample any saturation plugin.

 

What a great phrase. Maybe I should ask them if they accept some form of money.

 

well, maybe it sounds funny to u bc of language barriers, english isn't my 1st language. what I tried to say with that is that there's not just one way to implement oversampling, is there?

 

Mine neither, and I wasn't making fun of you, but of them.

And yes, I know a leat of two ways, dynamic OS, based on the DAW's SR and static, which is commonly used.

 

it just seems weird the fact that they don't explicitly explain their oversampling implementation, especially knowing how their marketing strategies are. uninformed ppl may think for the wrong reasons about what that eco button is really doing.

also, I don't think it's just that easy to say just oversample the whole signal with metaplugin and problem solved, since doing this is not an optimal way to oversample a plugin and it could bring some other problems to the table. using "brute force" oversampling like with metaplugin shouldn't be the normal thing to do if we are talking about well engineered plugins, since we already know that brute force oversampling is orders of magnitudes inferior compared to plugins that implement oversampling in a proper way, for example applying oversampling just in the control signals and not just src the whole signal. furthermore not all non linear plugins will work well at higher sample rates, so technically speaking, saying just "use metaplugin to oversample any saturation plugin" isn't accurate, but I get ur point, since the majority of them should work well, at least I hope they do.

to finish my point, there's a good article about this topic here, although somewhat old https://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/working-itb-at-higher-sampling-rates/ one comment that stuck with me was Fabien's. idk if I understood well, but I think he's saying that oversampling a linear plugin will reduce their performance and will bring other issues as well. I'm not sure if that also entails that processing an upsampled signal with linear plugins will reduce their plugin performance and will add precision problems, etc, so if anyone understand this specific point better and are willing to clarify and explain, I'd be happy to hear it.

quoting Fabien:
"It makes absolutely no reason to oversample linear processes (EQs, linear filters, delays, reverb, static gain). Oversampling can even reduce their performance! In the case of a simple IIR based filter, such as a peaking EQ, oversampling N times will actually increase precision problems N times (at least). That is, the filter will be half as “good” at the double rate. This becomes quickly audible at low frequencies. Generally, keep in mind that doubling the sample-rate also means halving the precision! Sadly, precision is the most important thing for all recursive filters (the basic component of almost anything audio)."

 

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can u plz explain me what do u mean by that?

 

For instance 4x OS at 44.1 and 48kHz SR and 2x OS at 88.2 and 96kHz SR - implemented in the plugin. So the plugin checks for the DAW's SR and adjusts its OS.

 

ah, just as how plugin alliance does, gotcha! I don't think it's the proper way to implement oversampling tbh. I called it "automatic oversampling" in lack of a better term lol

 

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also, I wasn't talking about those ways of oversampling, but more about the filter implementation (filter order, number of taps, fir or iir, transition band, etc) for example with ultrasonic by tdr and ultrasonic by airwindows. 2 different ways of implement filtering, one uses a fir filter, the other 5 iir biquad filters combined

 

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Confirmed, ECO = OS.

 

Sadly, that's beyond my knowledge of theory.

What irritated me even more in Fabien's next post was 'Oversampling will most of all reduce the bandwidth, add aliasing...'.

 

yeah, I also didn't understand what he tried to say with that, since that seems to be the total opposite of what oversampling does, maybe it was a typo or maybe we are too stupid to understand what he tried to say lol, but I really don't think he holds that to be true given the fact that his latest statements prove otherwise

 

I don't think that's accurate man. from what I undestand, the plugin is already applying oversampling automatically, and if u push the eco button that seems to disable the oversampling, making the plugin zero latency. I'll test it since I noticed that it's now available in the sister site

eco= os off

 

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They worth the price!

 

I don't think that's accurate man, ECO on = OS off.

 

i think ssl is overrated all of these plugins with ssl or hardware based is just a seller technique
softube overstayer is the new slayer

 

I just tried the Vintage Drive in Ableton Live 11 and for the Vintage Drive plugin latency is 53samples (1.1ms @ 48k, 256buffer size) and when I enable the ECO mode it stays that way. This is on a single track, not the mixbus. I understand that 1.1ms is already low but why the latency samples count didn't change at all ? then what's the point ? might as well go to town with oversampling.

All other plugins that has HQ mode will change its latency time if switched between HQ and normal, if it is already too low, it will go 0.

Always have my doubt about this stupid SSL plugins since the last update where they just change the GUI but advertised as new improved coding bs. cant find the link to the video, but I shared it here some time ago.

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Thank You @Stevie Dude for the Video.

Here is a video of the original Fusion (hardware), so the fusion gets good reviews
everywhere, but I can't say whether the software delivers what it promises.

Solid State Logic (SSL) Fusion Review

 

I don't have problem with the hardware, yeah heard a lot of good things about the unit. I have this small SSL2+ interface that I bought when it first came out, it's okay but not using it that much, sticking to my Apogee as my main. The plugin department of the company is what's shady about them.