S1 5.4 is impressive

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  1. Karate Grownup

    Karate Grownup Producer

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    Man, when FL has sane audio routing, mixer, midi editor and so on, we will talk.
    FL was first created as a virtual drum machine, not as a workstation. Same goes to Ableton - it wasn't supposed to be DAW, it was a Live Performance tool(hence the name of it).
    Does it mean you can't use those as DAWs in their current state? Of course it's not. 1000s of people use then for all kinds of production. But if you want a real DAW, that was planned and developed as such - you can't rely on those two.
     
  2. Anubhav Ukil

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    Go to exchange (presonus' way of sharing) and search my name. I have made a whole Macro page, to create Chords like Captain chords, in some sort of way or like say Hookpad. There are other macros and macro pages as well. I hope it helps. If you're on FB presonus group, you may even know me for my excessive love for macros. This user name is my actual name as well.
     
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  3. Anubhav Ukil

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    Just showing some basic S1 midi editor features. All of them can be mapped to a key command YOU want. Here is a chording macropage that I created (Now I am on my secondary screen so the macro page looks a bit cropped). You can see the note action commands. Everyone of them can either be used inside a macro or be assigned a keycommand YOU LIKE. I am also showing what happens when you select 'Select notes'. You can exclusively select or deselect notes. Have a chord progression? Fire off the macro that selects only the lowest notes. copy them and paste it onto Bass track, in one command. How cool is that? Want to reduce the velocity of every 2nd Snare? Well create a macro to choose every 2nd note (at interval option), reduce the velocity by 5%, using one single command.
    There are many many more. I have many many macros and there are many many more out there.

    It is like the Slate Batch Commander, but you know, integrated.
    I have a dedicated keyboard where each key is supposed to trigger a particular key command (using HID Macros) and so that extra keyboard works like a LARGER ELGATO Steam deck equivalent for me and also I have an MMO mouse where I have extra key assigned to do many extra commands. I can push S1 to its absolute limit in terms of workflow speed.

    So... FL's Midi is the best midi editor in the world. yeah Right!
     
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  4. Anubhav Ukil

    Anubhav Ukil Producer

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    yeah sure. :like:
    Also, if possible, do share your discography?
    or is your discography even smaller than my mother's nipples?
     
  5. Kyunghee

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    I'm a FL studio user and I'm thinking of trying studio one.What would be the most noticeable advantages/changes you think? Sorry if this is off-topic
     
  6. heanz

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    download the trial, watch some tutorials, try it out. if you like it, buy it. if you are happy with FL already, no reason to switch imo.
     
  7. jojofun

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    Does anyone know of a macro which changes single notes to diatonic chords (based on the steps of the selected scale)?
    Duplicating to specific semitones then snapping/applying the scale work well in all cases.
     
  8. Smoove Grooves

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    I think knowing the simple music theory behind diatonic chords is quicker than a macro.
    You already know they are based on the scales you are using. "Steps", I don't know what you mean.
     
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  9. jojofun

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    Well, coming from Reaper, I had a workflow, in which I'd quickly prototype a chord progression by changing a simple melody (movements) into with a single keyboard shortcut-triggered script. From there I'd alter the chords (extensions, inversions, etc.).
     
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  10. realitybytez

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    doesn't plugin boutique's scaler2 do something like this?
     
  11. jojofun

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    Scaler is cool.
    It's just that I'd expect a DAW that has note duplication and transposing macros, chord altering macros, scales and even a chord track to allow for such a workflow in the midi editor. I like to start simple sometimes, making chords the same way I'd melodies (based on movements). Or simply even movements between the degrees (1|3|6, 2|4, 5|7).

    I guess it's cool if it doesn't. No DAW gets it completely right.
    I guess there's just some things that will always be done better in each DAW.
     
  12. Smoove Grooves

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    None of these additions to a daw, via scripting or macros, was ever there from the beginning.
    It was assumed people using a daw would know music.
    They are a very recent cheat. Of sorts.
    These new 'avoid music theory' plugins are just to attract the newbs, I reckon.
     
  13. jojofun

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    This is a screenshot (from Reaper) of the kind of macros I'd like to use in Studio One.

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  14. Smoove Grooves

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    Interesting.
    Maybe some S1 peeps will chime in.
    But you still have to have a triad in the first place, for those scripts above to be of use in creating diatonic chords...
     
  15. jojofun

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    Actually, you don't.

    A simple melody of movement can quickly become a chord progression of in-key triads, by duplicating up a third diatonically twice.
    Very easy work flow. And doesn't even require "snapping" to scale. The script first parses what the selected scale is then uses the steps/intervals of notes that are included in the scale. Very simple, but the DAW has to allow for such data to be accessible to scripts/functions/macros. Reaper apparently does. S1 needs to do the same. In my example, I made a simple melody of 1, 2, 4, 3, 5
    and created the chords from duplicating upwards a diatonic third twice, which automatically created the proper gender of chords (Major vs minor). It's quick and correct, being that all chord base notes are in key and the chords are also diatonically generated instead of snapping notes to the scale.

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  16. Smoove Grooves

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    :rofl:
    Haha! Yes. I already know that!
    I'm glad you do, too! I was pointing out that one still has to make the first chord! And if someone doesn't know a triad...lol
    And your lua scripting above will find those chords for you if you start with a chord.
    And then you can research all diatonic chords within that key from that first chord.
    One day you would have done it so many times, you won't need the scripts or plugins.
    "flow"?
    lol. Just joking.
    But it's a slower workflow than knowing basic music theory.
    "Work flow" is regards recording and mixing for me.
    Not writing.
     
  17. jojofun

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    Well, I don't actually need them at all. Just a great convenience for when I'm working this way.
    I usually start with triads unless I know a specific chord needs to be different (sus2/4, aug, etc).
    Overall, diatonic MIDI duplication and transposing is something that every music-theory considerate DAW should have.
     
  18. Smoove Grooves

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    Strong disagree with that sweeping statement.
    It's subjective, and you must wonder why these features were never implemented before now? No? :winker:
    Plus, it is easy to tell if a song has been created with a chord plugin, because there are certain things we do as keyboard players that would not be done in some chord progressions you will come up with.
    Re. clunky inversions, lack of leading notes, note length, lack of natural velocities.
    So many things can give it away.
     
  19. jojofun

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    Well, yes, you're right about that. But when you know better, you do better.
    Those are things that are easily done when you're playing chords with an instrument.

    The chords I create using this technique are not performances but the start of the harmonic blueprint, something that would end up in the chord track.

    If you're worried about such features being used by the uneducated/unskilled and them
    furthering the trend of mediocre music, you can easily see that already with multiple 3rd-party tools
    (e.g. Cthulhu, Scaler, Midi Madness, Orb Producer, Captain Chords, Chord Potion, etc.).

    I'm not into automatic chord generation, I'm generally talking about diatonic editing.
    Look at it this way: Diatonic transposing and duplication generally coincides with MIDI editing with scale snapping/quantization enabled, but being more direct and thus accurate.
     
  20. Smoove Grooves

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    But only for some 'creators', eh.
    Okay, I kind of get it when you sell/pitch it like that.
    But then why didn't Cubase or Emagic think of that way back? When they made Cubase and Logic, or prior as Pro 24 and Notator?
    Because music theory, I guess?
    I wonder if Sibelius does this off the bat? Probably.
    Not! lol. Why would I be? More work for me.
    See what, sorry? The "blueprint" quote from before? Okay, if so.
    I don't know about that.
     
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