Interestingly, here comes into play psychoacoustics, not music theory. So, even the "tension-resolution" narrative is not needed.
Our brains seek the harmonic series, semitones and other small intervals (because of critical bands) are heard as alterations that can stabilize up or down.
Of course, our monkey brains can recognize various other patterns, but nothing can beat some kind of "cadential" gesture into a major chord.

 

oh great... so you are asking us to be mathematically imperfect. you are leading us down the road to inharmonic hell; leading the lambs to the slaughter. great start.

as monkeys born with inherent knowledge of the musical implications of the overtone series we see through your lies and deception.

lambs bleet in the whole tone scale based on Bb. little known fact.

 

Do all roads lead to R(h)ome?

All I know is that the richer and more interesting are the roads, the more fascinating / mind-etching is the journey.

Please share your own interpretations over music theory directions in this regard (our Peutinger's tablet), acknowledging or refuting it, although by initially responding to these 3 "simple" questions - at that, please refrain from giving in to elusiveness as much as possible: it's not a test or challenge.

If you prefer me to go first, just tell me.

 

A quick comment about your initial three questions.
It's a sincere comment - not facetious nit picking - just tidying up.

Minimal requirements for establishing a tonal-center couldn't be simpler - just play one note and you're done.
The challenge is to establish a coherent tonal context around that tonal center.
As soon as you start to build a tonal context (especially a dynamic context) , then the issue of inferring a tonal center will be intertwined with that context and will become more interesting.

 

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exactly -- the lizard amygdala will figure out the rest. it is basic evolutionary psychoacoustics.

 

Can't be a coincidence that your "lizard amygdala" comment was number 666. This is the number of the beast.
Let your satanic impulses rip I say...

 

Without a doubt and in due course.

The drone tone...


Now we may expand upon it...

 

Gsus2 ! Are we all archetypes ?

 

Watch out for the actual true lizard's pitfalls...

Collab, collab, collab... please?

 

i did not invent the game. i am just playing by the rules as they were conveyed to me.

my lizard instincts are just to lurk, which -- for the most part -- i do.

my interests are now are mostly in generative and procedural, for various reasons, but i am fortunate that i do not have to make money solely out of music anymore**. so none of this stuff is particularly valuable to me. i sometimes just miss talking s**t with musicians, unfortunately there are precious few to be found on this forum ;) i ran out of unique things to say a long time ago, and by the looks of it, so did music. it is not up to me anymore, and i am not up to it anymore.

** looking back it was never selling music, it was selling memories, beer and 'value added' alkehool, plastic tokens, merch. spaces for people to congregate and geek out, spaces for the lonely and alienated to not feel that for a time, etc. selling smells and sights and silence.

 

Not much to add to my prior suggestion @refix... I'd be just repeating myself and inflicting more boredom and apathy on you.

You surely have your reasons, so it'd be a derangement of mine insisting otherwise.

** repurposable suitability: "a space for people to congregate and geek-out, for the lonely and alienated to not feel like that for a time..."

 

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When it came to tuning in music, many attempts were made to introduce different tunings, and after a lot of trial and error, some tunings were introduced as successful ones.

One of those tunings was 12TET, which the proposers initially were very happy only because they could have managed to solve a lot of tuning issues but they had no knowledge of how this tuning would be used in the future.

Many experiments were conducted to use this particular type of tuning, and many musicians and theorists suggested many uses of this tuning, but in the end, a specific use (tonality) was selected as superior strength. For 150 years, this power was undisputed, and a lot of music was made from it.

Then came musicians who didn't want to go under the power of this particular use and made a lot of innovations in how to use this tuning. The music they produced often caused a state of distress and stress. They liked this situation and were very happy to be able to get out of tonality's domination.

But after a while, tonality became widespread again and replaced other uses. This Tonality Empire is so powerful that no other use can be imagined that it can be replaced forever.

Many have wanted to expand democracy in music in some way, but none have been able to end the dominance and power of tonality. Because tonality, like the concept of God, will never be out of the human mind, and whatever is done and tested, they will ultimately fail, and what ultimately lasts is tonality. There is no absolute freedom and choice in music, because tonality will not allow it.

 

Sure, 12TET and 440hz are the origin of Deafness..

 

People living in Eastern Europe or Asia have a wrong impression, and that is because they have more minor and smaller adjustments in their tunings, they have a lot of choice and they understand music better. But this notion is nothing more than a crude fantasy.

 

thank you for the origin story of why you chose a career as a basketweaver.

 

Marseilles's career as a basketweaver went immediately adrift when he misunderstood all the basic requirements.
Hence he spent his life as a basketwaver by mistake, and is now merely trolling forums as a basketcase.

 

I applaud your accidental confessional insight when you said

ALL of your notions are nothing more than a crude fantasy - so well spotted there!
But I doubt if any of yours are fixable with what you call minor or smaller adjustments.
I'd go for the full lobotomy - might give you the certainty you crave

 

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some may see it as incredible foresight and a D.I.Y spirit. i guess it is a glass half full/empty situation.

 

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marseilles, these are the questions i always ask weavers. few are brave enough to answer.

1. Do you care about the details of the basket and how they're used?
2. Do you spend most of your time gathering materials or weaving?
3. If making baskets is your priority, what theoretical principles do you consider in making your work?
4. If pleating is part of your work process, how do you combine principles with weaving?

many abandoned the wisdom of the oriental rattan for the western foolishness of wicker. it was then that civilization truly fell.

 

Look, my friends, this thread is about tonality, not tunings.

Besides, there are many reasons why certain tunings are taken into consideration in every country, and other ones don't matter so much there, that we shouldn't get into this discussion because eventually it's going to be a fight. Broadly speaking, there’s no escaping the fact that not every culture can be transferred by any tuning. Every tuning carries its own cultures.