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^ FTFY haha
Tbf death metal never had to change because it spawned so many variations of itself, so if it's not traditional death metal you like then there are many genres to choose from that are just as heavy or heavier than dm.

I appreciate 80s death metal as much as everything since then. I don't seek out deathcore too much tbf but everything else in dm interests me. I do drift away before coming back though but those that like something they want more of it and don't want to change it drastically.

 

Thing is, with most of these variations (and not just in death metal, but metal in general), it doesn't take long to figure out what the variation is all about (usually a couple of songs are enough), and once you figure that out that particular variety sounds like nothing more than a simple trick.

Don't know if I made myself clear, so I'll throw in some buzzwords : viking metal, symphonic metal, metal sung by a chick with fake red hair, metal sung by a chick who does death growls, metal with meth fueled double bass syncopation, metal with Kontakt libraries..

You see where I'm getting at?

Most of the time, in metal genres, the pioneers are the only ones worth listening to. After that it's usually a decade of copycats.

 

Well by that logic all of these statements can be applied to every genre but I do agree with you in dm there aren't that many variations but there are many bridges being gapped with entirely other genres where things don't have to become stale.

I wouldn't want techno to make their snare on 1 and 3 instead of 2 and 4 while syncopating the kick drum around it to justify true variation or whatever because that would sound like jingle the red nose fake deer in your favorite major key during christmas but happy hardcore still has 4x4 kicks and every variation of music that still uses 4x4 kicks when it comes to electronic music.

It's completely fine to dislike, naturally move away from a genre or even grow out of it. But I know people that prefer to listen to the doos and brees of 90s death metal forever. I can't be that guy so I do understand where you're coming from too.

Meanwhile in the jungle when anyone tries to do something different... Everybody either A) Shits on it collectively or B) replicates it to death because there are creators and there are imitators en masse. My point is sometimes things should just go that certain way like housy electronic music should have 4x4 drums and metal should have the drum patterns that it has per each genre too.

I think you simply just don't like metal much anymore it seems which is fine, many don't. I see your point about liking the original records that paved the path and I like those too but I like recent modern works just as much. Metal is so vast and there is so much to find and love in it that I often just don't get bored, I just switch lanes because I'm good at finding something to listen to.

 

Melodic

 

It's true I don't listen to metal as much as I used to, mainly because at some point that's the only music I listened to lol.

That being said, I still do listen to metal, and not just for the nostalgia factor. I really like some of the new technical extreme death metal bands (that terminology... lol), ambient post shoegaze black metal stuff, even all that gay youtube guitar hero 8 finger tapping Allan Holdsworth + active humbuckers - the musical genius shit lol.

But I also know that if I want to discover new bands, the majority will sound like Meshuggah meets Tool meets Slipknot type ripoffs. Or, in trying to sound completely original, it will be directionless ADHD garbage. In that sense, I find other genres of music are more rewarding, meaning random playlists may keep my interest for much longer. Or random torrenting. Whatever.

Again, I'm saying all of that while being fully aware there are amazing bands in all sub genres.

Re: electronic genres that displace the kick and snare, I disagree lol. I'm a big sucker for all that Hypnus techno you can't dance to without feeling like a lethargic robot with Parkinson's stuff. Of course I love 4x4, but some days I prefer dance music without a discernible kick drum.

Going back to 90s death metal, I recently listened to Atheist after well over a decade of not doing so, and holy shit, who engineered those albums, Hellen Keller? Sounds like they ran the amps through KFC deep fryers.

 

I was the same for over a decade until I branched out more but metal never completely left my life. I just only started cycling things more when I grew more sick of it. But in the last 2 decades metal has changed so much that there are surely genres I've never heard about before because as we all know one genre births another faster than we could blink.

Yeah there is just so much in metal waiting to be discovered. I love this sort of progressive melo death doom like Swallow the Sun and Omnium Gatherum.

I like some post metal as well which is very popular and a great gateway for anyone that doesn't like metal anymore or never liked it before... I show them some post black/blackgaze and they suddenly love metal. There is so much tapping in Djent which isn't my cup of tea but I love brutal tech death too which has vaguely similar features with it being technical.

Personally I'd rather have brutal tech death, black & crust served on burnt toast my whole life. I like it all in metal to some degree or at the very least I understand how it serves it's purpose. I know that Deathcore in college for me was like jump up dnb for most people before they find neuro and then eventually jungle. Still, if it wasn't for it then many would not extend their taste.

IDM has been searching for you all it's life.

I can see syncopation for parts with variation being a thing but I can't dance to the wheels on the bus being too square to turn and keep going round and round without flipping if the entire track if it has it's snare on the 1 and 3 the entire track. It would make my nose eject the cocaine and aids epidemic.

LMAO I love burnt toast. The good news is you can find so many records that are not lofi today, not that we could all tell they weren't brave little toasters yesterday haha

Ambient, Drone, Noise & Glitch oriented genres may be for you. Or just go the dnb/dubstep route when you get tired of 4x4 drums. I find that industrial techno like Ghostek helps me gather thoughts. Tbh that's true of any 4x4 genre.

When people describe idm as brain dance. I feel like that about any genre following the 4x4 ruleset. Anytime I need to think positive and clear, I always reach for warehouse techno. The music automatically organizes my thoughts.

 

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I must have some booze, I DEMAND TO HAV SOM BOOZ!

BREEE RU RUU ROOOO BREEEEE REEEE ROO ROOO ROO BRIEE BRIE BYEREEEEEEEEE

 

Might as well post a track

 

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Some OSDM

 

Damn this thread, now had to listen to some past favourites...


Cephalic Carnage - Observer to the Obliteration of Planet Earth

Aeon - You Pray To Nothing

Pig Destroyer - The Diplomat

 

Some grind-noise classics:

Anal Cunt - 5643 Song EP
I read review about this EP in some croatian zine stating that it sounds as if space shuttle had crushed into underground metro station.

Fear of God - Fear of God EP

Sore Throat - Disgrace To The Corpse Of Sid (90 Blasts Of Noise)

OLD (ex Regurgitation) - Lepers Without Feet (from their first album "Old Lady Drivers")

and something completly different:

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Helpless Corpses Enactment

 

Noisecore at it's finest for sure.

I remember reading that it was recorded on an 8 track machine, so record a set of their typical fast noise bursts on track 1, when the tape ran out, record the next set on track 2... repeat until all tracks are filled, then just "mixdown" the tunes together, edit into 2 and et voilá, you have a 7" of a shitload of noise.

*edit*, so that's ~700 "songs" per track (or 350 per side) so given their track length, the EP title is feasible, though I think Seth just pulled the number out of his ass. (cf. 88 Song EP)

 

 

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