Creating music using illegal content

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  1. BaSsDuDe

    BaSsDuDe Audiosexual

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    Most of what you have said is true, but the issue the less resources and time is only applicable if you are not using real musicians and the computer and only yourself. Exposure is only for people who want fame. I am simpler than that. You create the work, you do the work, you deserve to be paid for the work not hand it over to someone who contributed a big fat zero to it.
     
  2. GabsIT

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    That is why I use Freezer instead of Spofity xD
     
  3. waverider

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    Just wanted to say that you cannot register a track for content ID if it uses royalty free samples.

    Source
    https://diymusician.cdbaby.com/music-rights/what-kind-of-songs-dont-qualify-for-youtube-content-id/
     
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  4. Audioboss

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    This whole issue of illegal use of sounds presets scares me, I'm developing preset libraries for Serum, Zebra, HIVE, Icarus 2 and others. It terrifies me to see hundreds of producers who have legal VSTs but use preset libraries from thousands of pirated compilations out there in their songs and productions for years without a single notice of a lawsuit by the original creators.

    How the hell an insignificant cockroach in the market like me is going to protect my own presets then?
    It doesn't make sense, I think all that protection and watermarking stuff works only for very big or punctual cases, while millions go unpunished for using millions of unlicensed presets!

    I am so discouraged by that, so much that I almost prefer to release my libraries for free.
     
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  5. BEAT16

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    I also do presets. At the beginning it was already clear to me that if someone buys something and then posts it on the Internet and then I see it is the next day, it is very demotivating. I then decided to offer everything for free. You have no chance against copyright infringement. It is the medium of the Internet and the criminal energy of some users. You then still earn from uploading.

    Please visit my page: http://ohlenbostelhelge.magix.net/public/
     
  6. waverider

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    for what it's worth to you, i buy a lot of soundsets by sound designers and i love supporting them. there's enough people out there who like doing this, if you read youtube comments under the videos of more prominent designers, you'll see that they have at least a few hardcore fans who'll look forward to anything the designer puts out.
    you might just have to push through an initial period where you'll have to deal with a lot of piracy, until you build a reputation.
    not taking action against the pirates, as counter intuitive as it may seem, is a good way to allow your reputation to build.

    PS @BEAT16 i had no idea you were sonic sirius, i came across your soundsets in the past, cool to see you here!
     
  7. BEAT16

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    Thank you @waverider!
    Basically you do sound design, A because you can, B because you love the music and the creative process. It is also something else if you have to live on it. If you are very good and have had a long experience, you can also apply to film. The sound designer then turns the sounds into the images.
     
  8. Hazen

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    There is not really a need to rely on illegal plugins or samples these days. There is so much superb freeware stuff available these days and even commercial plugins are often offered for free legally. I got the Arturia spring reverb and their Juno chorus for free. I got a number of Waves plugin, including RBass (an all time favorite of mine) for free. I got the Fuse Audio Labs freebies. I even got a number of Soundtoys plugins for next to nothing, when they were running a donation campaign. I did not need them, but wanted to support the good cause back then. Don't forget about the daily Native Instruments Christmas freebies. Then there are superb synths that can be had for free like Vital, Surge and U-He Tyrell. Tokyo Dawm's free line. Same with samples: there are great taster packs of commercial sample sets and there are straight up free sample providers, who give away fantastic quality stuff. My arsenal is 95% freeware and I'm already overwhelmed with the wealth of stuff I got and often think about reducing it to be able to make music more efficiently (less choice paralysis).
     
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  9. Amore_de_la_Vida

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    There is a solution that no one I know have explored yet (but in the "big pros"' world of signed artists, DJ and producers I'm sure is not so uncommon) : to rent a studio just to use commercial libraries and plugins.

    Example : you have a pro studio, you certify me that everything that is on your main comp is 100% legal, paid and owned by you.

    I rent your studio for let's say an hour or two, I come with my complete PT, Logic or Cubase session and, important fact: I know exactly what plugin and/or sample libraries I wanna use with each track and in the master track.

    So I load my session on your comp, choose and set from your legal plugins, load your legal samples, and finally I print / bounce my master and save the result on my portable hard drive / USB key.

    So I have now, in my hairy hands, a perfectly legal piece of music, made originally with shady / of mysterious origin / not sure / sent-by-my-uncle / not-exactly-legal stuff.
     
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  10. JeremyTurner

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    What kind of illegal content it is? Is it language or something like this?
     
  11. recycle

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    Watermarking fake news?
    I created this file:


    This is what happens in the spectrogram

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    Download file and check yourself
     
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  12. Lois Lane

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    I swear that I could hear a female voice on top of the mix saying AUDIOSEX slowly in the background.
     
  13. JeremyTurner

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    Not bad at all. Carry on!
     
  14. Smoove Grooves

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    Only 21,000+ samples to go!
    And remember every customer needs their own individual code.

    Oh, wait...just watermark the .nicnt instead.
    As the Kontakt library devs do.
    From page 6:
     
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  15. itisntreal

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    Who can claim presets most of the time i load up a preset tweak it from there and make it my own
    Who can claim the piano sound or drum sounds like all producers have a piano or drumset @home or studio
     
  16. recycle

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    Mine is meant to be an experiment to demonstrate that watermarking in audio is absolutely possible. There are several ways to do this, I used the simplest [image to audio converter]
    What I believe is that if we are producing a commercial project it is advisable (and also ethically correct) to legitimately buy the tools we use.
     
  17. Smoove Grooves

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    I think we all already know that.
    But considering how quickly an order is processed for a library that I buy, it is a moot point.
    It would be automated, and only hidden in a .nicnt or something.
    Plus I don't believe that what you showed can be picked up by the tech that listens for proper audio watermarks, but I'm no expert.
     
  18. Jedi_Knight

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    I do hope that along the way some of you are actually buying these softwares/packages. Im a firm believer in the try before you buy but I have tried to be a good supporter too. While I may come here to try out things I cant afford at the moment, I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars of hard earned money on plugs, libraries and such that I can use at my free discresion. My favorite caveat to this whole scene is when the hacker actually finds bugs within the original programming and fixes it. When that becomes public knowledge, it makes the developer think twice about the shotty work it may put out. I know this stuff is expensive but a lot of it is now subscription based and if you cant afford the cost of one meal per month to leave your pocket, then you might want to rethink your current financial strategies. ...and dont be the pothead who never has money for anything but always has money for weed! j/s :dunno:
     
  19. Smoove Grooves

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    Subscription based is shit. That's the point. We can all carry on our careers without it, as we have for decades.
    Yes! And sharing them.
    You?
    But no boast of sharing anything.
     
  20. RitchieM

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    surely though if samples are watermarked, then as soon as there is other audio mixed or the signal is affected by EQ or filter, that would then render the watermark redundant??? Not meaning that in a daft way or to be argumentative, but that is what I would assume, even if the watermark is at the extreme ends of the register, a simple high / low pass would alter the signal so the embedded data is gone. If I am being a bit thick or missing something, please say so I can be educated on it.
     
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