Hi,

I am new in this forum and I have being trying different tools from widening stereo to using Haas effects.

What I am looking is some tool that let me put certain sound coming from top left to to right or in a certain degree or proximity, spatial position.

I am able to achieve it using haas but it's very hard, I wonder if there is any plugin or effect to do this at professional level.

I found some interesting videos this in special is so well done that I had the mental reaction that the music is so loud that maybe will annoy my neighbors while I am listening with headphones.

it's so realistic remind me the sensation of moving around a club.

 

i am not sure what you are trying to do there, but the haas effect, i.e. the runtime difference between you ears is not really difficult - and not very important either.

the frequency filtering is far more important. (or, where applicable, the doppler effect... well, or even the air absorbtion.)

the generic strategy to archive pseudo 3D soundfield events is to actually produce in "3D" and then do a stereo downmix of that using a HRTF processor.

the most common formats, which allow easy movement are ambisonics b-format (which only has 4 channels but requires recordings done in that format) - or so called channel formats with f.e. 8, 10, or 12 speakers in a circle or square, where you use geometry to position virtual soundsources by a special form of panning.

both is available as commercial products today, and both methods can be driven further by applying the same techniques to some kind of delay or reflections - often that doesnt require to be super realistic to sound good.

 

Last edited: Mar 9, 2021

That waves plug-in is the first effect which tries to do it all in one. However, if you want a whole piece mixed with it, it probably sucks lots to use different plug-ins and only have access to very few parameters.

 

Yes, exactly like that, I did research some days ago after posting here and looked for many things and I found an Ambeo vst and the Dear VR, also I found an awesome free plugin that is good enough (space360 by cytosonic). Thanks for pointing out the Waves one.
Who is that girl in your profile pic Stevie? she is really hot.

Answering to the angry user: yes, It's not called 8D sound but Ambisonic sound, 360 sound or 3-D sound and it's really connected with VR or AR virtual or Augmented reality. I think the 8D is because the 5.1 or 7.1 format of speakers arrangement.

I saw some podcast about Augmented reality and I found this amazing example (you need headphones) that uses Ambeo VR technology (it's more oriented for developers that music producers)

 

How To Make 8D Audio: An Out-Of-This-World Listening Experience

 

I started off thinking this was just marketing bullshit, then went off on a tangent and thought it could be plausible.

A 3 dimensional cube that's viewed in four dimensions is a tesseract (or hypercube), and this could be pushed in to 8 dimensions (octeract). So in theory anything could be visualized in n dimensions, so why not audio?

It then occurred to me that the processing power required to calculate 8 or even 4 dimensions of audio would require something crazy.

So I went back to thinking this is marketing bullshit, grabbed a beer and got back on with my life

 

4 dimensional hypercube (tesseract)

There's even a pretty messed up film made about one.

 

sure can you have more than 3 dimensions, every bigger database uses it, cybernetic and statistic models uses it, but it is strange to call something "8D audio" when in fact it is something with soundfields, which by definition can only be either 2D or 3D since it means dimensions in space.

i should have stopped reading that when the author claimed stereo would be "2D".

the rest of the article contains even more nonsese.

they mix all kind of information they heard about somewhere but do not even understand half of it.

to make 8D audio you need 2 ambisonics microphones and a 7.1 speaker setup and then it feels like teleportation, it is a bit better than 3D audio but not as good as 9D audio, lol, wtf.

and to make the aprils fool complete they have about 15 other articles of the same quality.

 

Last edited: Mar 20, 2021

https://www.twitch.tv/sashagrey

 

8D Audio appreciation is inversely proportional to IQ..

Now seriously..
If you want to experiment/profit of spatial "3D" effects,
you're much better off with a 5.1 or 7.1 system, and stuff made for that medium like Movies, certain Albums or live Concerts.

Mixing and producing a track in 5.1 is a good learning experience too

 

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Best BS I've read in a while...

If you want to get more than stereo, look into ambisonic. You can generate almost anything from a first-order 4 channel ambisonic recording. Including 5.1, headphone stereo...

8D is still 2D. Not even 3D. There's NO height information. Just some effects piled together that screw up the real stereo effect so you can't tell what you're hearing.

Apparantly, the 8D believers even get high from it. Tells you what auto-suggestion can do for you. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for your audience who are mainly listening on earbuds.

 

Genuine 8D headphones designed by Michio Kaku lol
I just found this in lazada, many headphones and earbuds marketed as real 8D sound, I thought you will find this funny.