That's self-explanatory. But there are multi-million dollar audio companies like Native Instruments and Izotope out there. You can be certain that they can afford the effort it takes to track down infringers and violators. EU law has also been adjusted a couple of times already to suit the interests of (especially European) providers of digital services and products, so at some point further measures might be taken to shut down free exchange of data on the internet.

 

If you use a proper VPN for torrenting doesn't that more or less protect you from getting a red letter in the mail?
Also I always assumed that downloading from hosters isn't illegal because you aren't uploading anything yourself, and that this is also the reason why torrenting can get you screwed because you're not only downloading data but also uploading it.

 

true. And it also depends on how much revenue specialized law firms can generate from prosecuting copyright infringements. The reduction in maximum fees (isn't it 150€ now) has significantly reduced law firms' interest in downloaders in Germany.
So it is also a cost/benefit calculation for the rights holders

As soon as e.g. NI's profits decrease significantly due to downloads, the situation can quickly change again. So caution is always a good thing.

 

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Yeah, I'm with this one. you can download from sister, torrent, sell drugs, do vandalism, GTA or whatever. it is best (one of the best option) done through something like this.

 

I'll ask him.

 

Yea it was 1000euro for a torrent dl and then another 850 euro to close the deal.
He's in Berlin.

 

https://torrentfreak.com/isps-and-rightsholders-unite-to-block-pirate-sites-in-germany-210311/
ISPs and Rightsholders Unite to Block Pirate Sites in Germany

 

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No very complicated to circumvent and a very weak measure to block pirate sites.*)

They only block the sites by blocking DNS and not the OCHs, means you can DL stuff if you get the needed URLs.

1. Sites will change their URL while IP remains the same
2. More effective than 1): For just looking for the DL URLs set e.g. "DNS over https" in Firefox's settings. For other browser there are equivalent settings.
3. Lookup IP and after that surf the site with the IP.
4. Use VPN for getting links and for DL (best and most secure option but good VPNs cost a little)



*) I don't get why they not just filter the IPs (or IPs plus hostheader if there are > 1 site per IP) of the sites they want to take down instead of DNS blocking.

 

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They have bots, they do tracking, they do this & that, bullshit,

Are you going to cower in fear because some big Hollywood corp wants more money? calls you a thief? fuck them!

The best thing germany could do is have almost every citizen torrenting something, lets see them prosecute effectively then.

German government wants to fine you = enjoy the EU union, its more like nazi germany every week!

SO you say you kept your internet router on OPEN WEP, no password and get them to prove it was actually you downloading, good luck.
dont bow down so easily it makes me ashamed to be human.,

Or use a VPN and leech to the max of your posh german fibre connection.

Now torrenting is "Degenerate" huh? fuck these ppl to death
I am churchill coming to stamp this out via spitfire

IF you are not bothered using a VPN, and your ISP sends you a fine, or a warning, SWITCH ISP and tell them how dare they claim such a thing, its not illegal to use WEP open encryption, also how dare they abuse GDPR rights like that?!
They are all money hungry dirty scammers, its just some are pandering to USA.

The piratebay guys didnt spend decades fighting ignorance so that you can just roll over and show your belly in an instant!

Also , feel free to scam money yourself from your ISP!

They can stuff their "fine" up their ass, same with the last 4 months BILLS! anyone living in reality knows a company would never in their life waste the money to bring someone to court for such meaningless little sums of money,
SO, work up a little bill! under 5-700 or so, and MOVE THE FUCK ON

Companies think they can run their scammy little Ryanair business model with zero kickback

 

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du kannst jeden scheiß abmahnen, egal ob im straßenverkehr oder im internet, allerdings beruht die zahlung dann auf einer beidseitigen vereinbarung und ist keine "strafe", und hazen´s kumpel irrt wohl immer noch darüber, dass "torrent" nicht nur ein download darstellt. ;)

there once was a commercial studio in london which advertised that they were using the waves plug-ins. one day a "customer" called them by phone and asked specifically about those. he had some interesting and expensive discussion with them later at his facility.

can you hold against the rightholder in such cases?

im mean seriously, why do people not even read the readme´s of warez releases?

 

Good idea, but it won't happen as you know :Angst fressen Seele auf.

That's true*. On one hand, the German administration simply has no balls against foreign countries (esp. US); on the other hand, it massively harasses its own citizens when it comes to so called "piracy".

Of course. But the average citizen is justifiably afraid of the consequences. If the authorities cannot obtain evidence in this way, judges now simply issue a search warrant. This happens a lot and if you have something to lose, it is very effective. Just because your hardware is gone for at least a year. Even if you are innocent.
*) It's really unbelievable how the government treats its citizens:
https://tarnkappe.info/hausdurchsuchung-wegen-angeblicher-fake-bewertungen-und-stalking/

Seems possible, but there are very few independent ISPs left in Germany. The majority are Vodafone (with former german internet via cable company) and Telekom. Especially outside the big cities.

Many years ago - thats why I can't say how it is done today, I worked for a financial institution.
At that time, a court order for payment cost 15 euros and the rule was that collection by court required an amount of at least 20 euros. The employees had to be paid anyway and with the large count of unpaid invoices it was worth it. I know companies that for only 100 euros, call in a lawyer and debt collectors.
So your tip seems a little too positive

It seems most people don't read anything. They don't even read the fu*ing manuals just blame others. That's easier

 

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A bit bold, but not entirely without justification. However, the reasons would be political, and that's not what we want here.
But please read the link I named in my prior post. If you are prosecuted for copyright infringement or something in Germany, the rules of law are no longer very strong. It's more of Earl Dracul every week

 

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Good underground vpn and Germany have good underground vpn providers, security isolated pc for downloading (special linux distro strongly recommend) special websites to download you files through like real debrid, offcloud etc. your music machine stay offline all the time transfer files via usb especially using mtp if applicable

 

I think the point a lot of you guys are missing is that its typically the uploading or sharing that gets fined and hardly ever the downloading. Some of you are mentioning people being fined for torrents referring to them downloading and you don't realize that if you are using torrents you are simultaneously downloading and uploading the file. Its the sharing or providing access to others that gets you in trouble, not so much the downloading for yourself.

 

I do not know from what sources the creators of this scheme took the information, but in Russia torrent trackers are not prohibited by the state only because these resources work on this protocol. if there are no files on the tracker, which are constantly receiving complaints from copyright holders, then the resource will work without problems and access to it will not be limited. they will not block users from downloading torrent files from this tracker and download the distribution via the torrent protocol, users will not have any problems because of the downloaded files either.

 

Agree, but the map is still mostly relevant on the official edicts and regulations regarding torrent sites.