oh boy I'm so naive I need to install trial Reason just to understand this. I blame you @ArticStorm now I'm going to have 5 DAWs on my PC.

 

oh the racks GUI. okay lol

 

MAGIX has commenced going the path of every time you open certain pieces of software, it requires you to log in to their server to validate your license. If Steinberg goes the path of some developers, then the supposed full version you download will be missing key components that will prevent it from running without the server sending those components each time you first open it. Somehow I cannot see anyone hacking that system expediently so for individual protection it's security intelligent, but unfortunately, completely secure socket and Internet-dependent.

 

too
late

 

well, you have to do it right. you can do it so that you only need to connect once per month.

i believe it is the other way round, for a one time buy they have no good reason to supply bugfixes and new features, because they have all the money from the first day on, but for a monthly subscription system they gotta work to keep you happy.

however it is not ideal, as it causes more work on your side. imagine we would have to renew and reauthorise all our programs every month, or even every year. one of your 30 product will always fail to work.

 

When R2R can emulate their activation mechanism, they also can emulate the response that comes from their server to confirm the activation.
To me, Magix never was a seriously considerable developer as their only good products were products they bought from other developers. If they go that way, they'll probably lose more customers than they think of beeing able to force to pay. Not everyone wants a production system to stay online all the time and for all of their products, there are plenty of (even better) alternatives available.

Every system is somehow hackable. When the Denuvo anti-tampering system for games got release, the big game cracking teams
announced that this may be an unhackable solution and the end of cracked games but then a new team came up and
cracked/removed that system completely (like AudioUTOPiA back in the days and R2R nowdays on ilok2) so there will always be hope.

 

Sequoia has been a mastering standard in many studios for a long time. It's expensive for a very good reason. probably not for Trap and EDM as it hates red-lining but definitely for acoustic instrument mastering.

I agree - security is a state of mind. if someone really wants to breach that security badly enough no matter how seemingly impenetrable, someone will eventually work out how to do it.

 

is this happened to the cracked Sequoia ? some key component missing ?

 

Looks like things are shifting slightly
So if someone buys a macMini M1 + Logic X, it might get cheaper than buying a PC and keep paying a subscription , huh

 

No I do not believe so. But anything cracked that any person uses they get what they paid for if something is not working properly.
Apparently there was one cracked version where a hacker completely left out a dll and it became unpredictable if this is what you mean?

 

That's the downside of a subscription system and it's the reason why I don't use Adobe software legally anymore. Someone who paid the retail price of a product over the months shouldn't be charged anymore. In case of Photoshop that was about $900 before the subscrition system so I stopped paying and started using a cracked version... ok, the portable Version of Ps I made never was a legal copy cause it didn't work that way but you know what I mean.

 

If you quote, don't just quote partly so that the meaning is destroyed.
You should at least use dots "..." when shortening a sentence.
As r4e said: Magix doesn't develop anything really good themselves. They just bought software titles and adapt them.

Sequoia's predecessor is Samplitude and is only extended with some functions. Samplitude was developed by "Studio für elektronische Klangerzeugung Dresden (SEK'D)" in co-operation with technical University Dresden for the Amiga platform in the 1990ies
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samplitude#Geschichte

The same goes for other softwares they sell. Almost everything bought from others and adapted or just put their sticker on, so I must agree in full with r4e.

Magix is like a cover band for softwares. Not bad but just not the original. Or a software remnant recycler. Mostly it is software that has its most successful times behind it.

 

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I feel it is going to end like Protools guys speaking about "industry standard" all years long and got their studio LOCKED due to servers down.
Another "industry standard" is going in the dust ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=pro+tools+server+down

And it is not the first time ...

 

Daw is streamed to your pc/ma like stadia for games all the processing is done on the server's you only will have a some kind of a client that can handle audio recording and syncing that protection will be stronger than the usb e-licenser

 

That is a fair comment except in this case - the thing is if someone is going to generalise and be completely ambiguous insinuating everything a company makes like:

Instead of "These products that Magix made were never... "then what I stated is totally correct and you possibly should avoid insinuating the control freak thing of telling others what they can and cannot do when they're educated because in most circles, ambiguity and generalisation is an epic fail. You probably made a simple wording mistake, but doing that makes the person telling others what they can and cannot do look like a bully.

I also knew who created it but the thing is Magix owns it and still develops it and releases new versions and the same studios upgrade their versions who owned it when they first purchased it. So far, Magix has not destroyed it. This means the updates - they made.

 

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Ah, ok, someone who is not immediately offended when you criticize him. I appreciate that

Yes, that is true.
The software continues to work and that's positive for the people who are used to it.
And there's nothing wrong with Sequoia either, I think you just got that wrong.

But what Magix does (at least nowadays*) is not comparable to what other audio software manufacturers do. Magix does not develop completely new software, but only buys up the applications of other companies that have lost interest in the product and gives them a second life (e.g. Vegas, Acid Pro, SoundForge...). Nothing bad about that, but also little innovative.

Therefore it is not comparable with inventors of softwares like Ableton, Steinberg, image-line, NI, Bitwig, Cockos etc.

OK, but on the other hand, this is not a discussion in a scientific environment, where every word and every source must be correct before publication.
Here we discuss the topic - in the best case in all politeness - and specify or correct if necessary. So it's like a gradual approach and we can all learn something from it.

*) I assume that this is at least partly due to the fact - similar to Native Instruments or Reason - that private equities have entered the companies, which set the direction and (almost) only have profit in mind. R & D often fall by the wayside.

 

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holy Jesus, don't startle me!! For a moment I thought I was working on GitHub

The question is always "how hard"

Well, for many years one of the perks of Mac OS is that big programs like Logic are quite cheap compared to Windows ones. It's a good part of the inflated price.

 

Sequoia is pretty great if you've seen it in action mastering with a HW Manly - and because they have not destroyed it, in some ways they've improved its usefulness further by making all the other interactive applications, plugins, rewire etc other than ARA, interface with it (which was coded in by Magix). They may even have ARA now, I have not checked out the latest upgrade? If you suggest for a lot of other Magix applications, no argument. Their Pro video apps are easy to use but you are correct that they're not Premiere or Final Cut Pro and Samplitude I find a little clunky and convoluted to the point it affects user-friendliness next to ProTools, Cubase, Ableton, Logic, Reaper and other DAWS.

No argument here either, but my response was based on the ambiguity of it, not the potential accuracy or inaccuracy. While generalisation certainly can be correct it has an equally even chance of being incorrect. Hey you've pretty much said you're not perfect and neither am I but I cannot in fairness with any developer say that everything they do is crap. Nobody is that bad.

 

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Regarding to this subject I have to add that dongleless doesn't necessary means they will ditch syncrosoft since is their own protection system. They will maybe make that thing optional, so you can install dongle licenses on soft eLicenser like Groove Agent 5 or Dorico PRO which is priced same as Cubase and you can use it without dongle.
They even have said on that exact post on TW, that there will not be subscription involved at all.
I believe Team V.R contributed to this and increased sales to Steinberg.
But for sure they will be canceling all activation codes which have been used from Team VR in future releases i believe that also and they will change eLicenser database so all Team VR releases and activation codes until b22 will be obsolete by the time with new syncrosoft.
Since they havent updated eLCC for days they are doing something for sure, and latest eLCC is so freaking buggy that is a nightmare, so maybe that's the reason.