Creating music using illegal content

Discussion in 'Education' started by angeldummy, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. johnw

    johnw Kapellmeister

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    Yes , please , do search in millions of songs all over internet for watermark ...:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  2. Jim Von Gucci

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    If they had the watermark software I'm sure they could easily search millions of songs similar to Shazam etc.
    But at what point did the so called audio watermark enter the chain.
    From the sample pack they used.
    The vocal stem.
    The producer.
    The mixer.
    The master engineer.

    And where are the court cases?
    Is there one?
    One?
    No.

    Lol the drama.
     
  3. Dj Smoke Everything

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    I have sold lots of music for major label release using nexus,fl studio,omnisphere,and some mixing plug ins downloaded from other site or torrent. Theres no watermarks lol.

    Using samplepack loop kits is a different story. Read the fine print and stay away from the companies or people you dont know. Stay with the big 1s.

    Some people chop up major label songs and release/sell as an original royalty free sample pack when its not. You, the artist and labelwill be sued,you will all lose your money and it will be yoyr fault,not worth it
     
  4. Smoove Grooves

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    The ones who definitely do watermark the .nicnt? Right.
    edit: Oh hang on, you said samplepack. Yeah, check the license agreement when it comes to you getting a placement!
    Which is why Moogerfooger's expansion was being checked for watermarks before being uploaded?
    But yeah, I don't imagine there are individual watermarks in the expansions.
    That's because there are no watermarks in the audio. Still weak to not own what you make money from.
    Watermarks are mostly to stop people sharing the software on warez sites.
    And it is a real thing.
    You both don't understand or know yet.:deep_facepalm:
     
  5. MRFEENIX

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    Something i've wondered for a while is if you use say Arturia Drumbrute to make a drum pattern are the sounds you create from it yours? As the initial sounds of the drums are made by Arturia and you basically tweak them .
     
  6. Smoove Grooves

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    Shalom!
    This is just the same as any drum machine since the 80s in the sense that you just use it and worry not!
    I mean, you don't own the software anyway but a usage license.
    But single hits are very hard to copyright anyway, so all this doesn't really apply to anything that isn't a Kontakt instrument with a watermarked .nicnt file with the buyers info in it, or totally recog samples and loops.
    All sample pack companies are constantly listening out for usage and approaching non-legit users of their samples.
    It's easy to recog when you have worked on the sample pack!
     
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  7. Jim Von Gucci

    Jim Von Gucci Producer

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    As usual you don't read or comprehend comments properly. :deep_facepalm:
     
  8. clone

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    Sampling recognizable stuff is just asking for problems. You either get it cleared and owe credit, money, etc. Or you don't, and have spent the time on something you can't use. Almost everything else is replaceable with something you can legally use, either free, or legit and paid for. You can always go back and buy a sample library if not, so it falls within royalty free use. Recreating something can be a nuisance, but it's better than the alternative.

    The real issue is not being sued for your use of the sample and any real damages; it's "potential damages" to the copywrite holder. Even for something that was otherwise not even commercially viable on its own.
     
  9. Ŧยχøя

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    Regarding the Watermarking topic..

    I find it very interesting, and would like to see some Examples of it,
    specially when talking about Kontakt Libraries, or other sampled VST instruments.

    But what's the rationale?
    Are they inserting low level audio marks in the highest frequencies?

    If so, won't they be hard to detect in the middle of a Full Mix?
    or be pretty much invisible when you apply a High Cut?


    Another possible argument against it, is the practicality/convenience of all it.

    To make it effective and serialized/linked to each particular client,
    they will need to open every single audio sample file, insert the client's serial number/mark,
    and then re-save/re-render each sample again, and pack/compile it before the user downloads it.

    Or at the very least, insert the code in the non-audio library files,
    and edit/re-pack it the very moment the library is purchased.

    This will imply Libraries downloads will have to be scheduled/delayed until the full process is done,
    and the companies will need to have a bunch of computers just reprocessing all the stuff every time a user decides to buy/download a library..

    I've got no idea about the matter, and I'm not denying its existence,
    just dropping my thoughts, so take it with a pinch of salt..

    But it looks to me like a very difficult/unpractical thing to do.
    Plus I've never heard of users needing to wait a second before downloading their paid libraries..
     
  10. Smoove Grooves

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    Watermarking doesn't require Shazam.
    The watermarking is in the .nicnt files of certain Kontakt instrument libraries.
    As usual, you are lying and implying I don't read or comprehend comments properly.
    I dislike that you are lying about me and I think it's nasty.
    Please explain your comment and explain what you think you know about watermarking, because it seems as if you don't know or understand yet, as I said.
    Nope. It's in the .nicnt, or failing that, the .nkr and .nkc
    That would be ridiculous to do it to the audio files!
    Nope. Could even be automated.
     
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  11. Ŧยχøя

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    Yes, if it's only on the non-audio files I can see it happen.

    Are there any actual known examples tho?
     
  12. Smoove Grooves

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    It's only in the non-audio files of Kontakt that it's been seen to happen.
    I, for one here, am not hypothesising. You sound like you are.
    That's why the data has to be taken out so certain libs can be shared without the original buyer being banned from the devs site.
     
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  13. EddieXx

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    i say, totally ignore the source!
    stop finding distraction and excuses and hesitating and make that freaking track/song

    with samples or whatever.
    when you actually have a decent product, THEN start thinking of a solution to eventual problems. I would dare to say that 99% of any sampled sounds or snippets are replaceable one way or the other, if its a worthy song that is.

    there is a enough stuff in the way of creating decent tracks, this should be the least of the problems imho
     
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  14. HeresJohnny

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    Even filtersweeps from vintage synths are being mis-flagged as copyrighted on youtube,
    The algo is a teething little baby..

    I would like to know, how to effectively prove them wrong if they claim something that you made?

    Or even, if you mangle something from a commerical pack and claim its not their loop/hit, how to effectively show them they have no way of wining?
     
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  15. Smoove Grooves

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    Yes! I guess you are new to this type of scene, then?
    It is well documented about a few sharers who fell foul after uploading their bought Kontakt libraries!
    Still proudly a baby and still teething since 2010, when it muted an entire video of a uni lecture on the history of sampling for a few seconds of James Brown. Through a tinny PA, with talking students all around.
     
  16. Valnar

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    your face when you realize that anti virus programs do basically the same thing: :woot:
     
  17. Smoove Grooves

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    Same thing as what?
     
  18. Jim Von Gucci

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    Your reply is exactly my point. That you don't read or comprehend comments.
    As usual I'm lying?? Dig a hole. Everybody reading this thread can obviously see that I'm not.
    1. I didn't say watermarking requires Shazam!!
    2. Hello!! Some people have been discussing in this thread thinking that warez generates watermarking that is in the audio files so obviously you haven't been reading or comprehending.
    As usual, having to repeat myself and explain what has already been said because you don't read.:snuffy:
     
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  19. Smoove Grooves

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    I never said you did!!
    Nowhere. In. This. Thread. Which I joined 3 pages ago. And read from the start. :deep_facepalm:
    That's what I mean by your fake news!
    And "everybody can obviously see that", and already knows you are a liar and will lie and hate on me.
    So just leave it, eh? lol
     
  20. Jim Von Gucci

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    So this wasn't a reply for me even though this was you replying to me?

    Nowhere in this thread? That you just said you read from the start? And that comment from The Pirate is on the page before this one in between comments by you.
    And my reply that you initially quoted was also a reply to someone else talking about audio water marking.
    So which one is it? That you don't read? Or that you don't comprehend? Or is it both. :rofl:
     
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