Too much over thinking. I think you better email them you are the only one worried about it.

 

What ever happened to Sonic Specialist Urban Fire series kits? Thought that company was solid a few years ago.

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This:

 

Me? I didn't intend to use their stuff. You brought them in. I would never ever use stuff that is not royalty-free.

I like how you turn your possible concern onto me by falsely identifying me as the only one.

If you are right about what you say, I'd love that even more, because then I would become open to another lot of sounds. So please give me some evidence that confirms anybody being able to publish stuff without clearing samples/sounds that are not royalty-free.

Spoiler: What Taz Wavsupply-boss says about not being royalty-free

Imagine this too. People steal our loops from WavSupply and upload them to splice. Wavsupply isnt royalty free Splice is. Regardless if you got it off splice or not If its ours, we coming for it.
source:

I see we agree on Loops and MIDIs, not being royalty-free. So what's left are drum oneshots and presets for instruments.

 

Have you emailed them yet?

 

Let's move this to PM. I don't think our ping-ping-ping-ping-pong conversation here has no value to the topic.

(me being ping, you being pong )

 

Let's move this to PM. I don't think our ping-ping-ping-ping-pong conversation here has no value to the topic.

(me being ping, you being pong )

 

No thanks!
You said you would never ever use stuff that is not royalty-free, but then you quote Taz and then still want me to clarify their business for you.
So once again, I think you better email them as you are the only one here worried about it.

 

What the? Man, I really like you with the little exception of our convo this time. Wasted more time explaining to you than that e-mail to wavsupply would take. So to take the pressure out of it, I did you that favor and e-mailed your sound supplier.

Again, whatever they answer does not help your position in general as you would probably make me e-mail all of them sound suppliers one by one. And if my position is true, then Wavsupply would only answer some "that is all individual by kit etc. so read the homepage FAQs and individual kit info" (bringing us back to where we started).

Let's see what they answer. Bets are taken ;)

 

The only thing I'm getting from your replies is that you want clarification if Wavsupply drum kits are royalty free. Which I don't know and why I'm replying for you to email them if you want clarification.
To state the obvious this is a forum related to a warez site also talking about hip hop.
People like me just aren't worried about if one shots are royalty free or clearing them.

 

If I was going to make a beat right now I'd use the Bighead kit.


https://splice.com/sounds/splice/bighead-sample-pack

Back on topic. This is a mint kit!! Cheers for the link!

 

Bro, we're good. Let's not go on like that. You know. I know.

(indeed I loved if you would have convinced me, that drum shots without royalty free info still would be royalty-free. In general, not just wavsupply)

But we're good, bro. Let's do some music (until them Taz office folks reply).

Cheers and mad love!

 

I don't have to convince you about anything.

 

So this is something that needs convincing? I'm already picturing it in my brain lol:
"Hey i hit this crash - lemme copyright it"
"Yeah bro ima gonna slam this snare and make 100 grand from royalties"
So perhaps you are trolling us, is this the case?
Btw, do you know how many times Billie Jean's drum intro has been sampled ? Perhaps thousands of times and nobody has paid a single dime in royalties. No matter how distinctive it contains no melody or lyrics, it's just a drum loop. If you worry too much, just pitch whatever drum shot or drumloop it is, +-1 cent, render it to a new file with a new name and off you go, now it's a new sample.
Cheers

 

Again you do that false accusing, mate. Never said you had to. Only thing you really have to stop that nasty false accusing.

No not trolling. Explanations above. You think changing the pitch by 1 cent makes a sound less recognizable? You think the length or type of sample matters in terms of copyright?

Maybe we ARE in the wrong place to discuss that stuff. Btw Discussion with guccis, done (except for those nasty false acc.... )

The e-mail to Guccis favorite wavsupply is out. We may have an answer soon (for that one supplier at least), if even.

Meanwhile you copyright noobs should read some:

https://diymusician.cdbaby.com/music-rights/clear-samples-to-copyrighted-music/

Hint for the hasty copyright noobs that are swamped by more than hundred words articles: The relevant text is a little further down, headlined by the magic letters "CANNOT". AGAIN, I deliver some sources to my point (unlike you guys, but sure, you don't have to )

Don't feel insulted by any of my words. Mad love to yall!

 

Errr nope, what it does -from a legal standpoint- is make it a different sound. Afaik, there has been no court of law won over a drum sample.
Personally i have been sampling since 1985-86 when i got my Ensoniq Mirage. Then i got an Emulator II and in 1990 an Akai S1000... God or whatever entity be my witness here, from obscure to Billie Jean, i have sampled the shit out of any drum/percussion beat you can think of in commercial releases, never had any legal problems.
Nowadays, half the people who claim to produce "original" drum libraries, they 're just clowns who use re-sampled content. Oh and making a drum library using any kind of drum machine can have no copyright. I 'd love to see anyone prove they made a unique beat on the TR 808. That 'll be the day hell will freeze mate.
So, disclaimers on drum samples? It's pretty much bait for the uninitiated. Never read any of them the past 30+ years lol.
Surely, knowing how to edit a drumbeat to make it a different-under the letter of the law- sample thus your own sound, takes a bit of time and reading, because sample rights laws change and differ from country to country. But learning the ins and outs of what's legal and whatnot, will help you in correctly identifying and distinguishing an assclown "beat producer" from an original content creator.
PS: Sampling has a special place in my heart. I consider it a different kind of art in its own right. I do believe content creators need and have to profit from their work. With that said, i laugh wholeheartedly at any lamer who pops up claiming rights on one shot drum samples, as it is absurd and cannot be proved under any forensic software or hardware, when you resample the whatever sound it is.
Bottom line, you edited it and resampled it, it's yours. Good luck to anyone proving they made it in the first place. There are of course, matters of embedded copy protection or watermarks in some cases, reason why i said you need to be educated on this as well.
Cheers

 

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First and foremost I appreciate your contribution to this. Definetely moving forward.

Not sure what you mean by that because the legal standpoint is the recognizability of a sound. In the last century we thought if the sample is too short to be a melody, things are fine. In this century we were proven wrong. As long as it is recognizable, the "art"work is stolen if not cleared. I guess with your experience you are familiar with that. That's why I skipped two steps and aimed at the recognizability after the slight change of pitch. Do we agree on this?

I guess you mean "one shot" right? Because otherwise you would be wrong:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-49162546

I like that. And I hope that it never changes. I guess your work/publications are relevant enough to make your statement relevant. On the other hand, not every bankrobber got caught.

Not sure if I get you right. If you obtain a license to samples (whether files, drum machine, whatever) that allows you to resell those sounds (changed or unchanged) in a library, I get you. But common business practice is giving out a license to use those sounds in your productions but not as a library (re)seller. Otherwise your competition would eat you alive by taking what you did but not allowing you to do the same with theirs. If it would be different, all of the drum samplers had all the other sounds in them.

For the most part I agree. And I loved if the whole topic went 100% to what you wrote, but there must be more than opinions, right?

I do not agree with "forensic software or hardware" to be absurd. If not your own answer of embedded stuff, then follow the line of technology evolution. There were times, when we considered a pitchchange / resampling was only possible to a whole track. Melodyne came up. I think todays algos are capable of stuff far beyond what we discuss here. Do we need more examples to agree?

Totally agree (and never too old for school). In 2007 I had the first pre-debut press kits in hands, that were uniquely secured. There have been 1000 unique ones and they did not hide that information. The target was to eliminate pre-debut leaks, and if they occured to track down the untrusted recipient(s). After getting deep into it the suppliers of that unique securing method claimed that their product is applicable to any material and will still work even after editing / resampling (as radiostations process sounds, and DJs speed up things and producers use samples).

This topic bugs me recently (don't want to p'ss myself at night anymore, if you get the link here to my copyright poll topic ;)

We came here as gucci mentioned wavsupply. taz (wavsupply) felt ripped-off by sting and many others. Got frustrated, paid his lesson. Made business to take advantage of what he learned. That's why the non-royalty-free confusion has earned him many plaques as he states himself. This so badly reminds me of that producer Pelham (bbc article link above), who also switched sides after having learned his lesson and proactively secures stuff to make money off frauds.

From the business perspective they have earned with what we hate. Still I understand them (with the head, not with the heart ;).

Never too old for school and still searching daily around that topic, I just found this site where a lawyer/drummer analyzes that topic and comes to conclusion that the drumbeat is not part of the "songwriting" / rhythm and therefore can not be copyrighted (opposed to the recording of it). Sadly the analysis lacks completeness and in the comments other lawyer/drummers do not agree, so again no step forward.

source: https://lawyerdrummer.com/2018/04/can-copyright-drumbeat/

Legal stuff hurts my brain... I just realized that if people really take wavsupply melody stuff (not royalty free) and put that on splice (royalty free), this leads to an insane situation. Because imagine that beat becomes a hit record. The beatmaker used splice-royalty-free stuff, but then it turns out that it was not. Guess splice forces uploaders/kitmakers to guarantee before they are sold there. So what if you made big money via royalties rightfully and taz claiming his rightfully... The freakin middleman-troll who betrayed splice now has to pay you the amount Taz negotiated out of you? And as that poor ass goes bankrupt you never get the amount back from him, but taz still gets his share out of you? World upside down...

By the way, still no reply from Wavsupply.

 

(I like your message !) A bit off-topic, I guess, but I wanted to ask what your opinion is on their "own wave of success recently".
On topic : Does anyone still use that old Hypersonic ? ) I DO ! It's a GOLDIE !!!

 

Man you guys are over thinking it.

If you have skills you can take anything and make it work. Most of the basic shit you get for free or with you DAW of choice can be clipped, crushed, or whatever you want and be 100% serviceable.

It doesn't always have to be Nintendo when you are making beats, you can buy an old ass Korg Triton for something like $200-$400 and have enough royalty free sounds to last you for an entire lifetime. It was good enough the Neptunes, Timbaland, busta rhymes, Missy Eliott, JayZ...

However, don't forget to at least 'turn the knob, even if it's just a little, turn the knob and make it your own.'

P.S.

I think there is even a plugin version of the Triton now and it might be even be haxxed for those who only use permanent trials.