I actually dreamt I was using it onstage last night!
I guess I'm buying it then! <sigh>
How much is this baby going to cost then, do we think?

 

999 Euros □
899 Euros □
799 Euros □

Pay what you want is the new Behringer policy!

 

UPS just dropped one of the 100 beta at my door. She is a beauty.

 

I wondered if you might be one of the ones to get one of the 100 betas! Cool if so!
But hang on, that says Oberheim!
I know you have the originals!

 

I could not sign up as a beta tester for this because the OB-Xa is the only offering from Oberheim that I am missing, and you must have one if you want to be a beta tester. https://community.musictribe.com/discussions/156693/308448/ub-xa-firmware-is-now-complete
I have everything else Oberheim produced including the infamous OB-12. The one in the photo is an Oberheim OB-8. I did sign up as a beta tester for the PPG Wave. Yes, Behringer has a clone PPG Wave coming out, too.

 

Sounded off compared to what ? I own a Roland TB-303 (originally i had two of them) and the Behringer's darn close, like 95%. It only lacks a little of the fatness and of course, the craziness that happens when the Roland gets hot after a few hours hehehe.

 

Behringer / Oberheim trademark bid fails:
https://www.musicradar.com/news/beh...ls-so-what-does-this-mean-for-the-ub-xa-synth

Maybe it's better to sign the contracts first and then announce it to the media, not the other way around.
Uli: you always make the same mistake: when will you learn?
...and remember to remove the Oberheim logo from the website

 

Uli may call it the Oh- Fuck-heim

 

Behringer Uberheim mein freund

 

I'm disagree. There are differences but they are subtle.
Behringer TD-3 is very very close to the original.
I made a comparison. I found TB-303 sound on the net. Do exact same pattern on TD-3.
And They sound almost the same.
TB-303 is more fat, more dirty.
But for the price €3000 vs €100
I can swallow it

Here are clean recordings.
TD-3 vs TB-303






Here is TD-3 after little EQing



Also check comparisions on Acidvoice and this guy video:

https://www.acidvoice.com/behringer-td-3.htm

 

I've had a 303 and I've used a lot of emulations/plugins and played with friend's TD-3 and I've come to the conclusion that in the context of a mix of a track they're all the same. Especially when fed through a distortion pedal.

Yes I hear differences but they're really miniscule. You will not miss out not having the original, that's all I say.

 

I think those subtle differences are result of few things. Like @taskforce mention there is little craziness which happens when the Roland gets hot after a few hours. There's only old units available over the world. Many of them have little problems with audio output. Often there is a lot of noise generating and other imperfections. This resulting that every unit is little different.
TD-3 have other circuits inside and use new technology. Sound is cleaner, more sterille than TB-303.
And there's only new units availible over the world. ~35 year old unit vs ~1 year old unit.
Imperfections are desirable and they are something positive in this unit. And I think there is all magic of TB-303.

 

The original has a bottom end like a Rubens painting, the TD3 haven given up on sweets and losing a bit of weight. When she's on top and grinding away one might not know the difference of a few kilos here or there.

 

Nothing can beat hardware synths!

 

When comparing all the TB clones,

Din Sync is usually the closest sound (probably cos its the closest to original parts, also the most expensive and harder to get)
and TD3 seems way off tbh (once its beside other models)

There is no fackin way Behringers TB303(s) that they modeled from had such ridiculous range on the cutoff and resonance,
Lazy settings with tons of slop in a TD3 chinese mega factory.

As was said maybe TD3 can be tweaked with internal tim pots? cos its not close enough at all as it ships

here is a full comparison:

Listen to all the VS parts... (and dont start talking about variation between TBs, i know that but DinSync always sound closer can you explain that then?)
When there is this much difference (and it cant be tamed with a trim pot)
It is much smarter to use a plugin emulation ( of which there are many many..)

It is a simple 1 osc, 1 filter synth,
You can make any synth basically sound like it,
SO GET THE FUCKING DETAILS PERFECT OK!? or its just another analog monosynth

 

ah, it does have trim pots, well some kind of screw within the circuit board.

 

"nuances of an analog counterpart" is a rather meaningless statement because they might do just exactly that of a specific unit - the units themselves have plenty of variation for a great number of reasons; production wasn't as accurate as it was today, the circuitry is sensitive to the ambient temperature (which not only changes in seasons but also depending on how long it has been running)

An emulation, barring calibration features such as ones present in the new TAL J-8, would ideally only capture a single state and they can do it extremely accurately. All the imperfections can be estimated and added in. But the deviations themselves aren't modeled in typically because a generally we like synths that behave well. For instance, VCV default oscillator had pitch drift in it originally and that was removed because people would rather do it themselves if they needed it, than have it included.

In the past, these problems were especially apparent with TB-303, which was relatively poorly manufactured by modern standards. If your TB-303 broke down, you would have a lot of issues trying to find another one that sounded close to what your TB-303 sounds like. A perfect emulation of a single TB-303 would categorically mean that it doesn't sound like majority of TB303's, because in fact majority of TB303's sound different from one another.

And this brings us to another important point: you listed bunch of rather mediocre emulations of Oberheim. I reckon you should forget about these and introduce yourself to bx_oberhausen, which is the first legitimate emulation (of the SEM chip, though). I personally would not bother with any emulations by Arturia or in fact most other companies. brainworx (a new entry in the list; they have Knifonium too), u-he, TAL & perhaps some others that I've never tested (such as UVI). Good & accurate emulations of hardware involve non-linear DSP and that always creates the problem of being inefficient CPU-wise. Previously mentioned companies have less of a problem with that, whereas companies like Arturia aim to appeal for a mainstream audience and they gain very little from trying to do it extremely accurately. Arturia is great on the hardware side, but when it comes to software, they're making cuts here and there especially for stuff that is not necessarily musically often important, such as filter self-oscillating behavior at high resonances.

 

First of all, you took my statement out of context. I never said "nuances of a specific unit" I said "nuances of hardware counterparts" meaning nuances of analog synths sounds. Secondly, I don't need to introduce myself to any emulation of Oberheims because if I want the Oberheim sound, I will use my hardware Oberheim synths. That is the reason why I don't bother with any Oberheim emulation plug-ins. Indeed, I did not even pulled the trigger on PA $29.99 for the Bx synth. With that said, everyone is free to chose whatever they wish. All this dicussion about hardware vs plug-ins is purely subjective plus budget and workflow dependent. To be clear, some people would like a real OB-8 but can't afford it. Others have the real OB-8 but it does not fit their workflow. Others like the way Arturia emulations sound and who are we to tell them otherwise. Finally, within a mix only a few people can tell the difference between hardware Oberheim and plug-in emulation.

 

Gotta be careful tho, its all good corksniffing, but its an instrument after all,
i know people these days treat them like classic car restorations, or like incels nerding over modular synth patching,
but i dont see many people rocking out on them, u know, really playing the instruments

Newbies buying vintage synths i think is fackn stupid. Every single component is dying, some last 2,5,10,50,150 years but you better be good at audio electronics and love starting at oscilloscopes as well as art and musicianship now!