PT12.3 slow asf

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  1. SomebodyIsHere

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    In addition, Latency Monitor gives me all this. However, I had tried to optimize this, I even disabled drives and reinstalled, updated and did all that shit but still did not fix anything!
    Note that I turned off wireless for taking these pictures since that might cause additional problems that I had found out before(I turn off internet while working in PT)
     
  2. Moonlight

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    and how to get rid of that ugly windows 7 like without transparency window header ?

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  3. Soul1975

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    I think most users are more concerned with other things but the new dark theme takes care of that.

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  4. keyone1a

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    @Moonlight and @Soul1975 this is not a thread about the gui of protools

    we are here to help @SomebodyIsHere, at least this is the purpose of the thread!!!

    so concerning ram and cpu load, i dont see anything suspicious...
    this is very strange...

    there is a performance optimization script at the avid forum:
    https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=397594

    but to be honest, I am stumped....
     
  5. Moonlight

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    Thast under macOS and not PT 12 Audiotopia :) Under macOS Protools looks great. but keyone1a is correct.

    I remeber that it was slow af here either last time i tried that audiotopia release.
    Is it fast for anyone at all ?
     
  6. keyone1a

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    Everything works great and fast for me!
     
  7. Jedi_Knight

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    In your picture from the Task Manager...it shows you have 3 programs open with ProTools. Can you tell us what they are? Mine has 5 open with Protools. Perhaps you need to fully uninstall the program and use CCleaner to clean up the registry and get rid of unused files. Then reinstall.


    **From my experience - ProTools is only slow during the loading process of the program itself. Once the software is loaded and the project is opened, it performs exactly as it should. There are no DAWs to date (that I've tried personally and Ive tried quite a few) that are any better than Protools and on the flip to that, there are many that are worse in comparison. DAWs are subjective to the user and the users needs. For some, they get a hard-on for Fruity Loops! It does 0 for me. To each their own right?
     
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  8. keyone1a

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    yeah i have also 5 programs...
    -protools
    -waves
    -protools helper
    -quicktime
    -inspector
     
  9. SomebodyIsHere

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    I don't know what it was the last time. But this time I only have 2 things open under pro tools as you see.
    Is this strange? Do I lack something in installation? Pro tools works fine but it is slow. For instance when I press space to play some looped audio clip there is a delay before the playhead starts moving and the same anywhere else. This problem is killing me. It just does not happen in PT 10.3 but it happens in both 12.3 & 12.5.
    In addition, thanks for reminding people that this topic is not about pro tools themes, smh.
     
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    I feel like you have something in software-land going on. But I would definitely try the method I referred to. Registry can fock with everything! Also, in your Device Manager...you might have a ghost driver installed that could be conflicting. Open Device Manager and go under View at the top and select SHOW HIDDEN DEVICES. Sometimes, windows leaves installed drivers behind that dont belong anymore (in case of the event of needing it possibly in the future).
     
  11. Dan Fuerth

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    Can you post a screenshot with the top memory usage processes?

    That screenshot does not show the list by order of "ram usage"
    Just wondering if the Windows Antimalware service is running while you are running Protools
    at the same time so it will make your system slow as it indexes files.

    You can use GPEDIT to disable it, but a more better solution is to boot into a live linux image
    and delete the Antimalware files themselves, then you must disable Windows update not only from
    GPEDIT but also from the Windows Services as well.

    There is so much useless garbage to disable and get rid of in Windows 10, it took me 1 hour to prep an image with all the services disable ( all JUNK), system settings , Windows update, firewall, antimalware, Windows settings, registry entries for disabling services which can not disable normally. Taking ownership of the Windows Apps folder in Program Files to delete Cortana and other junk that is installed etc. Crazy Windows 7 was already stupid for junk running and we turned it into a super OS, but Windows 10 is insane.

    Etc once this is done you also need to add a list of IP's to your hosts files in order to block Windows 10 from trying to hit those servers ( about 50+ IP's listed on the web)

    My Windows 10 Enterprise runs through a Proxy/Firewall rules running on my File Server, so yes Windows 10 for me does not hit the net on it's own. There is also a batch to disable network connections while I am running certain applications that NEED TO BE OFFLINE ( Protools and many others need to ran offline)

    Test your system first
    1. Run it idle ( no programs running ) and using Task Manager watch the CPU window and see if any spikes occur, during this test of 20 minutes at least, ZERO drives, ram, CPU activity should be seen!! period ( all my systems are DEAD QUIET for hours no activity on CPU)
     
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    I feel there is something with the Visual processing part of Pro tools that makes it slower in version 12. In version 10 (PT 10.3) things are super fast. Things in 12 are much slower than 10.3 like playhead starting after pressing spacebar is immediate in 10.3. Or putting automation nodes on the track after clicking is immediate in 10.3 but there is a lag doing the same thing in 12.3 or 12.5.
    It is super frustrating that such a rare problem is happening to me. Damn!!!!!!!
     
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    I never got around to trying 12.3 but I read elsewhere that it is more stable than 12.5. Can anyone here confirm this and possibly give examples?
     
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    It is truly more stable than 12.5. As audio clips stack in clip list 12.5 would become slower for most users(Reported by people) but that does not happen frequently in 12.3. However, please make another topic for such questions.
     
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    Hey
    Can you tell me what you mean by "remove all the video stuff form the dirs if you don't need it and disable it in prefs."?
    How am I supposed to remove all video stuff? and How can I disable it in prefs?! (I already have Enable Video Engine unchecked)
     
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    Active processes are 177 in the included image. With Windows Defender, Wi-Fi & unneeded services disabled, your system should have between 80 - 90 active processes. Aggressively tuned systems will drop processes to 65 -75 (plus Real-time virus scan off, Wi-Fi off).

    I'm sure you are plugged in while using CPU intensive programs. Performance will always drop on battery.
    AS I mentioned before. The BIOS needs to allow a steady clock rate above the base clock. Not overclocked. Just a steady boost rate/clock.

    Try disabling:
    Intel Graphics Command Center
    Avid Audio MME Binder (Task Manager 'Startup' tab)

    Also, if you have a 3rd party anti-virus program installed, consider uninstalling & making sure Windows Defender is completely installed & active. Windows Defender is just as good as many retail applications & sometimes better. Then there is the Antimalware Service which is always active (unless you somehow disabled it).

    Consider installing 12.5 as others have suggested. Audioutopia released it for a reason. Better performance & fixes.
    I still stand by my original observation of system specific problems. Especially after viewing the included image.
     
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    I wanted to migrate to Windows 7 but the problem would be software support. I have all startup crap disabled. I even cleaned up my registry on regular basis. The problem is, I am not sure going to Win 7 will solve the problem. If I was sure Win 7 is the answer I might have done it regardless of software issues and supports. Windows 10 is full of useless things, I even cleaned up and disabled most of them, optimized the system. But still I get this kind of issues. I had tried 12.5 before but it is actually slower and more glitchy( I guess it is because of Freeze Track feature added to 12.5 since 12.3 does not have it)
     
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    What OS are you currently on?
     
  20. quadcore64

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    Windows 10 is your best bet for stability & performance.

    The same memory & CPU on a MacBook Pro would run Pro Tools much more efficiently.

    Gaming laptops are geared for just that. Gaming performance which is different than professional audio & video software. With games, the main bottleneck is between CPU & Graphics. With software like Pro Tools, the bottleneck is system wide. I data can not be delivered to and, read from memory at a steady rate, performance drops off along with audible glitching.

    A more modern laptop, especially a workstation one designed for intensive workloads, will give you double the performance compared to your current setup. Basically what is known as a 'Desktop Replacement'.

    I have a 2014 MacBook Air running Logic Pro X on Big Sur without any issues. Bitwig Studio & Reaper also run problem free on that device. Ardour has a heavier CPU load than expected.
    So basically I stick to Logic for that machine.

    Can also run Omnisphere, kontakt, Massive X, Diva, & etc... As long as I don't try to do more than once instance inside a multitrack session all is good. Staying within limits of the device.

    Pro Tools HD is best run a Xeon based desktop from the era of your CPU or, a modern desktop system. i7 - i9 or Ryzen 7 - Ryzen 9. i5 10600F/K & Ryzen 5 will work but limit track count & VSTi usage. 32Gb to 64GB of memory that is matched, has tight timings (14-14-14, 15-15-15 or, 16-16-16).
     
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