Softube (somewhat of) Response to Recent R2R NFOs?

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  1. dkny

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    I expect their dev looked at this and went "Oh, so *that's* what that weird crashing bug was that we couldn't work out..!" ;)
     
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    ok boomer
     
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    DRM/ copy protection is not implemented in software just to prevent crackers. It's mainly for stopping regular users from sharing the program with all their friends, mom, dad and neighbors. It's in the name "copy protection". They do not want a useable form of the software to be able to be replicated and shared.

    Let's imagine a world without R2R or any cracking teams, lets say DRM protections do not exist either. In this hypothetical situation anyone can purchase software and then send the installer to his whole network of friends/ family and they can install and use it and now they've all got it for free. Then those friends can send it to their friends and those friends can send it to their friends and so on. It spreads like wildfire for free and the company makes little-to-nothing.

    Now back to reality. With iLok protected plugins for example, if I buy UVI Falcon, yes I can send the installer to all of my friends and family that also want it but because of the iLok DRM, the software is not useable by them as they do not possess a license and hence the only way for them to use it would be to purchase one.

    (I mean pre-big wave obviously, we all know iLok has fallen to R2R)

    Copy/ DRM protection renders software useless unless a user has a license, which forces users to purchase the software in order to use it. It's a form of loss prevention. They are aware that one day their software will get cracked, it's just about making DRM difficult enough that they will have made a profit before then.

    The point is, if all crackers suddenly vanished, DRMs would not also.

    DRM is leverage that a software company uses to force you into buying software that is too difficult or impossible for crackers to crack - Nexus, Falcon, UAD.

    They know you would most likely not purchase it if it was cracked.
     
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    Okay, post-factual, post-millenial brainchild :D
     
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    i'm a boomer and i thought it was hilarious.
     
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  6. Bombadil

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    what is a NFO? (or NFOs idk)
     
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  7. TryHard

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    So, Softube were actively 'bragging' about the very thing which R2R exposed and roasted them over.

    Talk about gaslighting your customers! ... What deceptive pieces of excrement they are.

    Whatever next? Is iLok going to send out a memo praising itself for it's uncrackable security? :rofl:
     
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    Why would you inflict iLok on to anyone you care about? :bleh:
     
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    In other words, not only do Softube willingly cripple the potential peak performance of their premium-priced commercial products through their deliberate choice of protection, which they then also inflict upon their paying customers along with the other associated iLok hurdles and pitfalls. But they also deliberately deceive their paying customers as to such performance gains, in their official correspondence regarding their software.

    Wow! As someone who has paid for and owns ALL of my own professional audio software, I can honestly say I'm SO glad I'm not a customer of Softube ... and may never be after seeing how deceitful they are.

    @vuuru_keg ... Thanks for sharing this useful information :like:
     
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    Bruh I saw "Cracker Crews" and I thought :woot:.... nevamind :facepalm:
    :rofl:
     
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    Umm... no. Before you blindly condemn them without really understanding what's going on, there is no "deception" going on here.

    Let me explain for you. The new versions they just released, for paying customers (Hi!) does indeed load much quicker than before (and presumably uses less memory, I haven't checked...). I updated my legit (Mac) paid for versions and the performance is better than before, and they open quicker than they did. Thats, like, a *good* thing.

    (*Could* the performance be even better should there be "available" Mac versions without the iLok stuff - possibly, but there aren't, so no point discussing that.)

    There's no deceit. You've assumed their recent update does not do what they announced it does (eg better performance), based on misunderstanding an earlier forum post. This is false, the 2.5.9 update does indeed offer improved performance for regular customers, for whatever reason.

    I'm pretty happy with my paid for Softube stuff (and the other free plugins I've got from them as part of various promos) and I'm happy with the new update. Would I prefer them if they weren't iLok - yes. But it is what it is, at this point in time. I decided the plugins I wanted were worth it.

    (Also - I don't own any of the plugins which have multiple modules all individually iLokked, so I can't speak to the performance of those for legit customers...)
     
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    But I'm *really* happy with my free Softube stuff (and the other free plugins I've got from R2R as part of various promos.)
     
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    Sure. Good for you. :wink:
     
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    Since I can't be sure you aren't asking seriously...

    Cracked releases have an included txt file, they rename the extension to .nfo for (information) about the release.
     
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    Cracker crews are not the problem. Greed is the problem. That's my 2 cents.
     
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  17. Bombadil

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    Thanks, i was asking seriously.
     
  18. TryHard

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    @dkny

    Lol! Nice 'cherry-picking' of my quotes 'out of context' there. However, you conveniently missed the most important one that I clearly stated in my very opening assertion:

    If you're gonna quote me, at least have the common decency not to try to misrepresent the meaning through omission of the original context (once again, for the hard of reading: 'potential peak performance').

    Clearly, you're just on the defensive since you are a part of the customer base that Softube (in my personal opinion gaslighted and low key 'mocked' in their newsletter). But that's just life. If you're so happy with your purchase, why are you acting so defensive? (that's a rhetorical question, 'cause I don't really care what the answer is ... and neither should you .... just be happy and enjoy your purchases) :no:
     
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  19. dkny

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    Yes, Softube implement iLok, with the necessary performance penalities that come with it. There was no point quoting this, as it's a fact we all know, and is correct. This is not "context I was omitting".

    Your point that I was quoting and calling out was that the recent claims of improving performance in the latest update were bullshit. I was correcting you. That's all.
     
  20. justwannadownload

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    I hope R2R or RET will come back to Softube soon enough. There are a few quite interesting things out since the last crack.
     
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