Anyone using touch screen monitor?

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  1. Futurewine

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    Hi, I just learn about 21-27 inch touch screen monitor. There are some brands which claims to be compatible with Windows 10 directly like HP E230T and ASUS VT229H, Viewsonic TD2421. While some brand like DELL P2148HT which originally built during Windows 8 needs a firmware update for Windows 10.

    Been researching looking to know if these touch screens still works great today for Studio One 5 and Reaper because on some forums user complaints problems after Windows 10 update.. something like touch screen not work after v1605 update..

    I've also watched some old YouTube videos including Studio One v3 demo on Acer touchscreen. But that was years ago.. Does it still works great today on Windows 10? How is your experience with touch screen and DAW with current Studio One 5 and Reaper? Does it works well with Waves plugins? Would like to know which brand you are using if it's alright. Surface Pro is out of my reach but if these monitors still fine and not buggy for S1/Reaper.. I think of wishing for one :shalom:

     
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    I am also very interested in this
    I would like a big one as I m low sighted I saw that crazy guy on pro tools
     
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    I am building one, exactly like this.
    I am turning a 43 inch 4K TV into a 10 point Multi touch monitor using IR overlay.
    My DAW of choice is S1 and I can have Native Multi touch support.
    For Gestures (like those expensive SLATE Ravens) I will be using Gesturesign App (Free, available at Windows Store as well).
    Also, I am on Windows.

    Oh well, I actually have thoroughly tested it and it works great. I can post the pictures or videos later because atm, I am redoing my small home/project studio.
     
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    I tried it, useless unprecise, and gives me cramps, working is about time, if something is gonna make my life harder and takes more time to achieve the same thing just for the sake of looking cool or whatever it's not an option in my book. Big flop from me, unless Musk makes it possible to mix with his chip? old school is the way, either it is a mouse and a keyboard a controller or mixers.
     
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    It would be nice to give a little more details otherwise, your whole comment becomes useless.
    What piece of gear you tried on, what daw etc is very important.
    OP here uses S1 and will be using reaper as well.
    Both Reaper and S1 can have Macro (No, not those one to many mappable knobs but Macro as in macro commands or a series of commands in a particular order).
    Plus, in S1, one can have macro toolbar which is extremely extremely touch friendly and can increase the workflow.

    Here are some videos of older S1.
    It has been improved as well.









     
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    if i'm not wrong, it's raven from slate, the thing is i don't blame the product, it is just hard to keep the touch-latency low when you have such a huge area...
     
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    Slate's Raven is useless on Windows because Raven Toolbar and Batch Commander doesn't work on Windows (Steven is shit).
    But if you DAW (S1 can) can take advantage of Multi touch and your OS supports Multi touch (win10 does) then it is great.
    Just search Geature sign. I have tested it thoroughly and I will upload videos to YT later, about how fast the workflow can be with touchscreen.
     
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    I did the touch screen thing for a bit. It's cool in theory. In the end it's almost an extra step because you're driving with a mouse and keyboard 99.? percent of the time.

    You can control, option, alt click to get things tuned better with a mouse over a keyboard.

    A physical tactile controller is a better choice IMO. You only have 2 hands find one u can turn 2 knobs at once and map those.

    If you're an ableton user this max device makes anything your mouse is over become controllable by a knob.

    https://sonicbloom.net/en/one-max-f...y-parameter-in-ableton-live-with-one-encoder/
     
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    I have two Steven Slate MTI2 touch screens and a high resolution monitor for editing. I also use a few hardware controllers for control especially when tracking. The support for more DAWs by Slate is greater on Mac. On PC only Protools, Cubase and Nuendo are supported. Look at this two ways. Touching your DAW for editing is not great to date. Get a good monitor on the side for all mix prep. Mixing can be an excellent experience if you use gestures and macro toolbars on both the screen (also through IOS or Android devices). Using Presonus Studio one touch is absolutely a pen experience. Windows support touch natively, however, not fantastic. Wings (bitwig) and Zendaw (Cubase) make a touchscreen a super controller. I own Zendaw but am slowly switching from Presonus Studio One to Cubase/Nuendo. I cannot comment how great that experience is, yet. Here is the takeaway from my experience. If you use Protools Slate can be great. You still want a monitor that is high resolution for editing on the side or have a computer dedicated. If you only mix touchscreen solutions become more useful. In the case of Slate remember you are getting touch control and an excellent toolbar solution (you can make some really nice custom macro surfaces). Presonus Studio is not actually compatible with Slate products. The touchscreen support breaks the Raven support. My 2 cents
     
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    Thanks guys. I appreciate all input here. It helps me to hold on from checkout a budget friendly ASUS brand just now hehe..

    I really like the experience just like @Anubhav Ukil shared on the video. I was thinking like using it as a painting screen for piano roll (in full screen 21").. but idk.. maybe what I expect how it may work isn't there yet.. :shalom:
     
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    Totally agree.
    By far. But not too much buttons and faders. More knobs don't necessarily help more.

    I used to use 3 touch screen monitors and it seemed to be cool to control everything with a finger tip. But it just doesn't work this way.
    Fingers and touchscreens are far too unprecise to use them for turning knob or adjusting curves.
    On a standing touchscreen you'll need to take you whole arm to reach out for the screens and this is far from being optimal if you do it a 100 times a day.

    What prooved to be prctical is a mouse (for me it's a direct pointing device tablet from Wacom as I'm used to it) an one touch screen lying on my desk. My two other screens are not touch enabled. My monitors are all the same size and only FHD resolution because 4K didn't work well in combination with the FHD touch screen.

    But certainly I won't buy a touch again. The price difference to a normal one isn't justified. It's just nice to have. And for some small fields of usage in audio work only. Frankly I barely use it today after some years.
     
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    I am suggesting,
    Buy a 4k monitor and use something like PQ labs touchscreen.
    I feel like Infrared Touch screens are way better than capacitive touch screen in terms of responses.
    I tested Dell P2418HT. But I liked PQ labs IR panels way much more.
    Everyone here have shared touchscreen experience with capacitive Touch and I agrees, I also felt the response delays sometimes.

    So anyday, I would suggest, if you are really going to buy a Touchscreen for DAW works, go with a 4k screen and convert it using IR panels.

    For mouse workflow, I have chosen Razer Naga trinity and you can choose Corsair Schmitar or those Chinese MMO MOBA Mice with 12 side buttons. It tales really 3-4 days to learn those mice.
    Also, I converted 2 cheap keyboards into dedicated macro keyboards using HIDMacros and you can use LuaMacros as well. You guys can check Taran's (the video editor of Linus Tech Tips) video about these as well.
    So I actually like the cockpit approach. Everything I use the most, has a dedicated switch for tactile purpose on my two extra keyboards.
    I actually have 195ish dedicated buttons (on those extra two keyboards) that correspond to particularly one function of my DAW.
    Thanks to S1, that it has its own macro and although I have not yet filled all the 195 buttons but I have the options if I ever want to use all the 195 buttons. Again, you will remember every button post 6-7 days of working.
    The touchscreen I am making will be for mixing and I will be using Gesturesign for all the multi Touch gestures.
     
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    I have a 21 inch HP touchscreen. I expected to lay it down flat and use it like a console and keep a vertical screen to edit and run plugins.
    It was so cumbersome I eventually unhooked the USB cable enabling touch.

    One word of caution, One flying insect on a touchscreen can ruin lots of work!
     
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    IMO Get a large curved screen monitor instead. Its perfect for any daw.

    If u need to control go for a belkin knob or even a pallette system.
     
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    It may be that this system is more precise. However, there are two problems that unfortunately do not change.

    1. our fingers are simply too thick to turn small buttons or drag sliders without tactile feedback, we cannot see behind them. To reduce the problem, you can use larger screens. But that leads to the next problem:
    2. a parralax that increases with the screen size. Due to the principle according to which our eyes function, we cannot see exactly behind a finger, but only laterally. The greater the distance to the center right between our eyes, the greater the inaccuracy caused by the parralaxis gets. The inaccuracy is at least 8 to 10 mm regardless of the precision of the device.
    That is why stencils are used on touch screens for precise drawing. But this makes touchscreens mostly useless for audio editing.
     
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    I work, but with a stylus is better.
     
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    doesnt the program have to support multitouch? i know protools natively doesnt and steven slate they use overlay software to control for multitouch.
     
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    I haven't felt that issue.
    (I kept the screen at 35° from the back of the table or 145° from the front of the table).
    I have done rigours testing because I wanted to test first before buying and I didn't feel any issue (Win 10, Gesturesign and Studio One).

    Yes. I don't like Raven because, they have mostly nothing for windows and for a 27 inch FHD Touch screen, 1000 USD is way too much.
     
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    I did it quite the same:

    touch.png

    Anyhow I noticed that I hardly use the touch screen anymore. A hardware controller with a few buttons and sliders for me was more intuitive in the long run.
    But try it out and report back in e.g. in a year whether the investment was really worth it. :mates:
     
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    @twoheart thanks for the pic. was exactly the way i think to set it up. still weighting cuz i think of the same too and it took more or less similar price for a 21" touch monitor Vs. hardware kontroller.. :shalom:
     
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