AMD Ryzen 9 5950X vs 5900X

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  1. tzzsmk

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    PSU some gold-rated 750-850W, I like EVGA modular ones,
    Case some Fractal Design without side window, I have Define R5 and Node 304, both amazing,
    one thing about case choice is decision between front door (blocking airflow and noise) versus front mesh (far better direct airflow, so fans can spin lower, generating potentially less noise themselves)
     
  2. Poper21

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    So this is what i come up with, its high end PC for gaming/music production:
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3sFKp2
    +6800/6800XT GPU

    I am going propably build this around January/February, since everything is still out of stock/way to expensive. Only thing i am not sure is the mobo i was thinking to go for asus hero6/dark hero6 but its 400 for mobo and doubt anything new so will see.

    Quick explanation:
    Went with 850W PSU to make sure, 4000mhz CL 16 ram to go 1:1 ratio with 5900X.

    The case should be looking cool + is highly airflow(mby its bit too loud but, well) and air cooling coz wanna have least amout maintence for years hopefuly.

    Thank you very much for all tips and i am open for any suggestions :)
     
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    "So i suppose AMD Ryzen 9 5950X overclocked to like 4.7 GHZ atleast with really good cooling should do the job right?"

    Right. Are you trying to download your consciousness into it and become immortal? Be careful, it's still in experimental stage. Good luck! :wink:
     
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    The official all core turbo is around 4.4 - 4.5 ghz. The 5950X will hit it @ ~65 degrees Celcius with a decent cooler. You can expect a painless stable all core oc at 4.5 - 4.6ghz with an off the shelves Noctua NH-D15 or Dark Rock Pro 4 or similar. Getting a top of the line CLC will presumably allow for harder OC'ing with reasonable to low noise levels depending what you 're using and why not, hit 5 ghz as well hehehe.
    Oh and to my friend @quadcore64 : There is nothing unnatural in overclocking an unlocked cpu. Yes it's not for everyone. But it's what it's built for mate. Given that the 5950X achieves those frequencies with better thermals/less power draw than its 3950X predecessor due to a wider core design (with equal cache access for each core), you can expect a stable oc for years, nuff said. LN2 Oc'ers hit 6.3 ghz @ 1.7volts, so from the reps it seems 4.9 or 5 ghz will be pretty doable with a triple radiator for low noise too or even with a top dual one.
    For the record, the Zen3 series is a modern marvel of technology, it absolutely kills everything in its path and puts the final nail in Intel's coffin now taking the lead in gaming as well. I am pretty stunned with AMD's race to the top. In 2015 it was an almost bankrupt company and about 8% of what Intel was. I have to give credit to their CEO Lisa Su as she is responsible for turning everything upside down for the good of her company and also ending the unofficial Intel monopoly and as of consequence, the benefit of us end users.
    Cheers and stay safe my friends :)
     
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  5. quadcore64

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    The power supply is mainly for CPU,GPU mainboard components & PCIe slots.

    Please refer to the following article for 'some' understanding
    Double Height DDR4: 32GB Modules from G.Skill and ZADAK Reviewed

    Not trying to lecture you or anything of the sort. Just trying to impart knowledge of witness & experience.

    For a quiet case (putting function over form), you should consider either Phanteks or Fractal. Their noise dampening cases are the preference of the top custom workstation makers (Puget Systems, PCAudioLabs, Titan Computers & Novatech) just to name a hand full.

    You want a case that you can tuck away or go under your desk which will further reduce noise & reflection points. There is also the benefit of not breaking a glass panel from something falling against it.

    Also consider a large two fan CPU cooler or, one of the newer 280 to 360mm AIO offerings. The Be Quiet Silent Loop 280mm refillable AIO handles the 5900X & 5950X efficiently in normal operation (over-clocking to 4.7GHz stays @ 80c or above). The Be Quiet Pure Loop 360 (also refillable) would be a better choice.

    Keep in mind that Ryzen 2nd & 3rd Gen have specific sweet spots for minimum/maximum speed, CAS latency & voltage.
    3200, 3600 & 3800 with tight timings. These CPUs use memory in a similar manner to ECC on a workstation/server.
    Refer to the AMD Ryzen-Compatible Memory page (QVL).

    Think sets of four to achieve the best memory performance

    Settings outside of spec are for competitive over-clocking, not for stable & long-term daily use. Although some may disagree. This the opinion of many professional over-clockers, custom system builders, tech reviewers & AMD themselves.


    List of board series tested & reviewed as of Nov 9, 2020 (pcpartpicker.com for pricing). More will be tested & reviewed over the next month or so.

    Asus:
    TUF GAMING X570-PRO (WI-FI) ATX 128GB 4 $219.99
    ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX 64GB 2 $245.96
    ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX 128GB 4 $299.99
    ROG Strix X570-F Gaming ATX 128GB 4 $323.36
    ROG Crosshair VIII Hero ATX 128GB 4 $359.99
    ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI) ATX 128GB 4 $379.99
    ROG Crosshair VIII Impact Mini DTX 64GB 2 $429.99
    ROG Crosshair VIII Formula ATX 128GB 4 $549.99

    Gigabyte:
    Gigabyte B550 AORUS MASTER ATX 128GB 4 $249.00
    Gigabyte B550 VISION D ATX 128GB 4 $259.99 (Thunderbolt 3)
    Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX 128GB 4 $345.99

    Happy tracking!
     
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  6. Paul Pi

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    +1 on due care when choosing your case, proper attention is necessary before making your final choice - the current selection looks very eye-catching but not at all good for containing noise pollution. Indeed, one of the user reviews on the partpicker link suppled notes that "the case fans that come with it are not PWM... so be prepared to replace them if you want your PC to actually run silent".

    Of course, if @Poper21's plans on full-burn overclocking with mucho hardcore gaming then the current choice might, after all, be workable. I have a EVGA Nvidia 1070Ti 'Silent' gpu which is anything but silent when both its fans fully engage - and that's inside a Fractal R5 case with the dampened side panel...
     
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    I was about to make a thread about that but the stream of shocking news is overwhelming right now. Not to mention the upcoming new Radeon 6000 launch and first 3rd party reviews. There's so much to say about NVidia's behavior, like the Intel case in CPUs.
    Anyways, Lisa Sue's AMD is making big history as a desktop/console processor company.
    And also in general as a big company comeback. Something to be taught at economy/enterprise colleges for years to come.

    Well said, we need more of that nowadays.
    I wonder how much sensitives are the timings with this new line. There's this already famous utility "AMD latency tweaker" (or similar) for the 3000 series.
    With the Ryzen 5000s unified L3 cache may be is not so hard to tweak them, but that would still be quite hard.
     
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    Test are still ongoing. Even with the new Beta BIOS releases, motherboards & memory behave differently. As mentioned, tight timings are the key. Especially at higher speeds. There are only a few memory modules that have very good performance at 3800 & above. G.Skill TridentZ, Corsair LPX & maybe Crucial Ballistix. The TridentZ 3200 can ramp up to 3600 just using the XMP profile.
     
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    Spot on. Not to mention there's educated rumors of possible support on even B350(even low-end Ms) motherboards, but that's another history.
    I guess it depends of the availability on each country but I can confirm Corsair LPX modules work very good both at raising clocks and lowering timings, the latter personally tested in my new cheap rig. At a decent price too.
    But I can't talk of fastest rigs with more than 3200Mhz and fastest AMDs be it 3000s or 5000s.
     
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    Scalpers are ripping prices by 30-50%
    No way for me.
     
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    @ pooper youdo know ryzens arnt that good foroverclocking right you said in a previous postyou wabnt 4.7thats just no way near possible on a ryzen 5 chip especially air cooled like that. hell ive seen people hit 4.4 maxc on nitrogen
     
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    Ryzens basically overclock themselves if you use precision boost overdrive. And soon with v2 of that feature they will downvolt themselves too, giving you more performance with even less power draw.
     
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    PBO 2 is out now. Any cpu from Ryzen 2xxx series and newer can make use of it. In detail :
    https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/cpu-pb2
    Where? Care to show us? Yeah, that is a bit on the ridiculous side really. A close mate just hit 4.7ghz all core on a 5600X with a standard and old Noctua NH-D15. You 've just seen the wrong people mate.
    https://www.techspot.com/news/87503-amd-ryzen-9-5950x-pushed-record-6362-mhz.html
    And for the record, Ryzen 5xxx @ 4.6 ghz is faster than Intel 10xxx @ 5 ghz.
     
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    I have always wondered about this. Seems like the side window sitting right across from your processor and GPU (if you have a beefy third party one) would be a detriment to temperature for the sake of a bit of vanity.

    Although I guess some people say that having too many places for air to escape can be bad for airflow too, so idk. I have a R9 3900XT and 2080ti in a Corsair Carbide 200R and pretty much never have to think about temperature. I just loaded that sucker up with Noctua fans and leave it be. But I don't overclock all that aggressively, relative to my CPU specs.
     
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    Airflow ?
    Get a mesh front with BIG fans
    Top results, better than putting more fans.

    https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3630-best-worst-pc-cases-2020
    Cheap : Lian Li lancool 215
    or Phanteks P500A Digital

    A good case is a DESIGN matter.
    Like when those "clever" designers put SIDE air entry on front panel...
    There was a LOT of impact on airflow.

    The only mean to get AIRFLOW and SILENCE is slower big fans AND mesh/hollow front.
    Even without ANY other fan in extraction (not a good idea anyway)

    You put a "plain" front panel : no more airflow
    You put more small fans : more noise

    A 70 bucks Lancool 215 is better than cases costing more than twice the price noise/thermal wise.
    Because of front mesh and 2x200mm fans (and YES with a side window and RGB :rofl:)

    After that, you can improve on HDD suspension, better bottom feet ...
    But it is secondary :wink:
     
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    Not for all BIOSes yet unfortunately. At least my B550-A Pro doesn't have it yet.
     
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    I just built a i7 10700k got it with the ( avengers game not needed thought ) and ASUS ROG STRIX Z490-F GAMING LGA.
    For like 489.00 USD. I was going to go the AMD route but Intel is king for single core performance and I built it for a DAW workstation.
    Great CPU and MOBO. latency is way down. I read Asus are great MOBO for low Latencys.
     
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    Double what @Pipotron3000 said about cases. If i can add more of the best airflow midrange midi cases are the LianLi Lancool II Mesh and Fractal Design Meshify II.
    I just built a system based on a B550 ASRock and their v.1.80 bios has PBO2 man. So most likely MSI has it coming soon :)
     
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    i'm a click away to 3900x,
    but i'm holding on to 5900x,
    with hope the price drop,
    but the world is out of stock,
    leaving my tits drop
    #rap #rhyme #pleaserate :boombox::shalom:
     
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    You should be a musician :thumbsup:
     
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