Setting up a new ssd and maintaining

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  1. Gyro Gearloose

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    i didnt found the thread where it is mentioned .

    sinewave told me bout a adjustment you have to do so it dont get broken.
    i think sometimes os do it automatic or and app did do it for me so i had it already adjusted like that but since i dunno why/what/where in time it happened , i need to kno how to do it manually.
    do someone kno what i mean.
     
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    First off my general recommandation for an SSD is buy double the storage you need, so for ex you need a 500gb ssd? buy a 1tb drive, you need 250, 500 for maximising life span of the SSDrive itself...

    - Now on the OS side, first of disable Defragmentation for the new SSD.
    - Check if Trip is enabled.
    - And last a quick tip, is changing defaults Windows folder's location such as Desktop, Documents and Downloads, and set a manual location to a hard drive, this way you minimize read right, and all your files don't get downloaded in the SSDrive itself (more lifespan if you didn't get the drift :rofl:)...

    This way you wont have to think about your SSD failing you anytime soon!

    Good buy, and enjoy your new drive friend! :wink:
     
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    I think you are talking about a thing when it has to be calibrated/aligned in some way regards some few cells, so that something or other is a round number. Or something.
    And that thing was when SSDs were just coming out, and is now taken care of by the drive itself, with built in little os. Or something.
    Your question sounds familar to me 5 years ago.
    Wish I could remember what the process is called! Sorry.
    Either way, I don't think it was hyper critical.
    Just geeks giving SSD the best chance possible from the start.
    Is that like TRIM?
     
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    SSDs dont get defragged by mistake anymore. Software recognizes them & trims them
    unless you are running win xp or linux or something weird i guess
     
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    now i'm worry since i've been habitly reinstall windows 10 quite often on p1 crucial 1tb.. evaluating things ofc and since re-install windows 10 just took some minutes, i bben doing quite often.. i therefore demand the same what is the cautious we the ssd user should take note for ssd health..

    tq and regards,
    foshowine
    (p1 crucial 1tb as os boot user) :shalom:
     
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    Obviously I could look it up myself, but I'm going to ask anyway. Where exactly do you change these locations? Also, I'm surprised I haven't run into that command before, such that I've never even had the idea in the first place.
     
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    Not a command. Prefs. And often just browser prefs!
    If you'd run into a command, only then (such) would you have thought about storing files external to your OS drive? :woot:
    I momentarily felt super intelligent just then.
     
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    could be it was trim what i meant...
    i think illdelph is right to some degree but i want to kno where to look it up and change in windows .

    BTW i hate the search function ovr here / also old content not found able over profile
     
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    could you explain a bit deeper for lazy dummies like me and funk u

    this should be done at fresh install only ?
     
  11. itisntreal

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    what if you need to format a ssd and destroy all data so its not recoverable
    with mechanical drives i always do a write zeros to drive when i reinstall my system
    zeroing a ssd is a no go so how can i securely remove all data without damaging the ssd
     
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    I apologize guys, i meant trim i wrote this as i was going to sleep, didn't bother to check what i wrote.

    so @Gyro Gearloose here's how you do that, but i apologize in advance my system is in French, but i trust that won't be an issue.

    First of all open "Computer and Select the folder you wanna affect" like Desktop, Downloads or any similar one, Then Click "Proprieties" should be the last one, Then go to the 4'th Tab from left, should be named "Location" or something similar, Then put your new location.

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    thx mate
     
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    The longevity of an SSD drive depends on its hardware. In order of quality there's 4 types of NAND memory, from high to low quality: SLC (enterprise grade), MLC (can be enterprise grade), TLC (consumer) and QLC (consumer). Expected longevity is expressed in Terabytes Written (TBW) and Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF). You can find these specs on the manufacturers website.

    The SSD controller optimizes the way data is written so that it minimizes wear and tear (TRIM is one of those technologies). SSD's also use overprovisioning which means they will reserve a portion of the capacity as backup memory cells when cells fail. That's why you'll often see 480 or 500GB SSD's while they physically have 512GB.

    Regardless of controller optimizations and overprovisioning however, SLC will still last much much longer than QLC. There's no way around it.

    Once you have bought an SSD there's nothing you can do really. Except installing monitoring software that will read the SMART hardware information which will give you a warning when your drive's health is deteriorating. This will leave you with plenty of time to replace your drive before it can actually fail.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    bout my trim qeustion
    win7:
    Hi,

    To turn TRIM OFF, from an elevated command prompt type:
    Code:
    fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 1
    To turn TRIM ON, from an elevated command prompt type:
    Code:
    fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0
    Regards,
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    Windows 7 and the firmware of the SSD will run TRIM when it is needed.

    There is no manual function to run TRIM on the Kingston SSD.

    Intel and Samsung have their own Toolbox software that will run manual TRIM but it is for use on their own specific brand of SSD's.

    As Golden posted make sure TRIM is ON and that Disk Defragmenter is OFF in W7.

    How to Check if TRIM Is Enabled

    You’ll need to check this from an Administrator Command Prompt window. To open an Administrator Command Prompt window on Windows 10 or 8.1, right-click the Start button and select “Command Prompt (Admin).”

    On Windows 7, open the Start menu, search for “Command Prompt”, right-click the “Command Prompt” shortcut, and select “Run as Administrator.”


    Run the following command in the Command Prompt window:

    fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify
    You’ll see one of two results. If you see DisableDeleteNotify = 0 , TRIM is enabled. Everything is good and you don’t need to worry about it. (This is a little confusing at first glance—with a value of 0, the DisableDeleteNotify option is disabled. That’s a double negative, which means “DeleteNotify,” also known as TRIM, is enabled.)

    If you see DisableDeleteNotify = 1 , TRIM is disabled. This is a problem if you have an SSD.

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    That's a difficult one. Most SSDs have a secure erase function that you can use with the manufacturer SSD toolkit software. The problem is that research has shown that these 'secure' erase functions aren't always very secure, as in: data can still be recovered. This was a few years ago so, things might have improved.

    Many SSDs also have built in hardware encryption which means that if you secure erase, the internal encryption key gets destroyed, making the data unreadable without needing to format. But again, research has shown that these features sometimes lack in security.

    Personally I use full disk software encryption like Bitlocker. That makes you independent from the manufacturer's encryption implementation. It's not perfect though since the TRIM garbage collection will still create readable data even if you have full disk encryption enabled. It's recommended to disable TRIM if security is that important to you. But as a consequence your drive will perform slower and will last less time.

    If data security is very important to you, best to research for an SSD with proven hardware encryption. My guess is you won't find it in the consumer level SSD's but rather enterprise level SSD's.
     
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    Sorry for offtopic mate but can you recommend any software to make a backup of a windows installation? I have Windows 10 installed on SSD on drive C and I have documents folder on my main HDD on drive D and when I try to create a backup with default windows restore point feature it always wants to backup entire 1 TB HDD drive because Documents folder is located there. I don't need a backup of Documents folder, I can always do that manually, I just want to backup my entire C drive and be able to easily restore it.
     
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    There're quite a few tools/scripts that raise (less reads and especially writes) SSD longevity.

    But the most important tool is the one that comes with your SSD's company and allows over-provisioning (or equivalent). This is the one that allows to reserve the amount of the space you want to evenly distribute the SSD wear among its cells. A kind of trim on steroids if you will.

    For instance, Samsung Magician.
     
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