Terrorist theory

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  1. Andrew

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    There's a great documentary about 911 by Ace Baker, if you have some free time, it's worth it, especially the Phenomena episode:
    Link
     
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    OKOKOK i think a lot of you are confused let me lay it out the best i can in text.


    The World Govt. aka Global Banking System, Global Elite, NWO, Illuminati. has been in the works far longer than any of us have
    been alive.

    Ill take it as far back as the American Civil War...


    SLAVERY! no. really. Federal Govt becoming to large was the cause of the civil war.the south saw what the govt was up to
    saw the industry and big corps starting to take over the economy. they told the FED, don't bring that shit down here we are free
    people and refuse to let corp run everything and a big govt take control. Feds said well to bad its coming for you anyway.

    south wasn't having it. KABOOM war. only issue for the north was, the south was winning. why? heart. cause. defending there homes
    and land. the south had a motivation to fight. the north did not.other than what the generals were telling them to do. "preserving"
    the union wasn't enough to motivate the union army after two years of losing so what now? the FED govt HAD to win this thing
    for the "plan" (as ill call it for now) to work. so what? oh i got it LET THE SLAVES FIGHT!! FOR FREEDOM!! something that was never
    even thought about til Lincoln realized he was losing. so now the slaves are free..NOT! they were never free until the
    amendments were written which was after Lincolns death i might add.

    so what am i getting at?

    the American Civil War was a war to industrialize the south.and to bring forth a strong central federal govt and do away with
    the equal states to central govt ideal in America.

    ALSO putting forth the first foot steps toward a more ERR "solid" currency in the USA.

    go forward 40 years 1913 big WW brings forth the Federal Reserve. A WORLD BANK

    pushing the NWO agenda to centralize all banking in the world but for now we still 4 or 5 central banks

    now go forward another 40 years CIA takes over Iran's Govt (this is the beginnings of the huge blow back scam that America faces
    today)


    now there's a shit ton i can say but ill link some videos on what happened.


    Ok so the middle east is consider very holy to most religions. actually all of them except for the far east religions.

    anyway so the USA steps in disgraces the land pisses off Islam. insults Islam. Islam is mad

    (keep in mind that the banking systems want this they want a all out war in the middle east because they need to industrialize it
    just like with the south. same concept.)

    So War,war and more war til the person gulf war. then 9/11/01 FINALLY brings the blow back the CIA have been waiting for
    this is where the 9/11 inside job conspiracy's get off track I THINK. it was an inside job but not to as where the US
    govt ACTUALLY carried out the attacks. i believe it was "terrorist" but the GOVT wanted this to happened all part of the
    "plan" you know to bring war to the middle east. The Govt knew exactly what was going on that day and was ready for it.
    and let it happen. now the "terrorist" all they are doing is getting back at us waging war against for ruining and disgracing
    there land. the only reason they hate us is because we want them to hate us we poked them and poked them until they had enough.

    im rambling a bit so just watch the videos.

    its a Ron Paul video but the message is huge, just watch it all.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR0GmC5eHfg

    now i don't like Alex Jones but there's a lot of truth in this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ




    OK so my over all point is that we have been lied to (of course) and that the western Govts want us to hate Islam. so the
    wars seem more justifiable. but ask your self this. turn the tables had it been us in the middle east and a big
    govt came and did that to us. wouldn't the western world have done the same thing? attack back? fight off this huge farce
    that is coming to take over. a resistance is what i see, no evil. sure things are fucked up over there
    but remember alot of what you hear any of what you hear could be false. the govt controls every bit of info we recicve
    so do we know what source to trust? a lot of us go off what the media tells us. and how can we trust that?


    to comment on oil as a reason is to obvious the American dollar is about to collapse we need fast sudden income and oil is the
    key. but that's kinda of on the same subject as one world govt. its all part of the plan.
     
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    being rational doesnt mean being confused, the NWO is a fantasy for delusional conspiracist, nothing more.
     
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    how so? its an agenda and its real... presidents talk about it all the time. its not even a secret *no*
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptcp07v_w-w

    keep in mind SOME of these meaning in order in a different context and don't even belong in this video
     
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    there is no real evidence, while there are many evidences against it (like the 9/11 being an inside job wich is quite illogic), nothing different than the fantasy "moon hoax"
     
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    ok..explain to me how 9/11 being an inside job is illogical? :rofl:
     
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    the crap about thermite and nanothermite, about the building collapse etc, is ludicrious for a physicist, beside there is no evidence for the conspiracy theory, while many conspiracists have been caught on falsifying photos (see the pentagon photo where u can clearly see the hole being almost 40 m wide but they hide the lower part with smoke to claim the hole is too small).. sorry, i dont have faith, i stick to evidences and science method
     
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    GOOD science now tell me how ANY of the WTC towers fell. how did they come down they are the ONLY Steel towers to fall from fire to this day. dont give me the jet fuel BS cause tower 7 was not hit by a plane.


    JET A fuel (standard in the US). The open air burning temp is less than 350 C. I think you would have to consider the WTC open air burning. Max temp is achieved only with an optimum mixture of air and fuel producing no smoke. Smoke is a sign of oxygen deprivation with results in lower temperatures. The WTC steel was tested by UL at 2000 C and retained it's specification. It is not likely that an open air burn for less than 50 minutes could have caused enough deformation to result in collapse.

    Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F). HOWEVER . Steel can be soft at 538°C (1,000°F) well below the burning temperature of jet fuel. HOWEVER HOWEVER
    the wtc were built for a hit like this and i highly doubt there was that much jet fuel giving that the fire ball that flew out of the building at impact was the jet fuel burning up. BUT really none of that really matter its all about tower 7. and i say again they are the only towers to fall from fire
     
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    NOTE: im all about being schooled on the subject so shut me down if you can. im about truth not trying to damn a story :wink:
     
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    ALSO i can testify as im from Virgina and i drive by the pentagon alot there is no way a plane hit that building from that angle not even a skilled pilot could of maneuvered that way and after hitting 6 large concreted into the ground light poles that plane would have been burning in the middle of 95 or on the pentagon lawn.
     
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    beside the fact that a plane travelling at 700 km/h with a weight of 90 tons has a kinetic energy in the order of Megajoule, the steel lose sustaining capacity with thermal energy being added over a long time,it get weaker. That's why deformation can occur at a lower temperature (see Coefficient of thermal expansion) . Anyway u did a common mistake, u considered temperature while u had to cinsider thermal energy.

    and to be clear, the towers were designed to swustain impacts from a smaller 747 at landing speed not a 767 at cruise speed, kinetic energy isnt irrelevant.
     
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    nope, beside the fact u dont need a skilled pilot to crash, u still keep ignoring the kinetic energy of the plane, so no, physics shows it's completely plausible, while the missile "theory" is inconsistent with the light poles being hit not the shape of the hole.
     
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    Even if the towers were severely damaged by the impact of "planes", there's no explanation for free fall speed of both towers, not to mention the presence of Baryum and Strontium near the crash site, Tritium concentration diluted in water, very fine particles and a lot of dust.

    Nevertheless, it does not matter. Some people just get by with hunches and theories, some need cold hard facts, so I'm not trying to convince anybody of the "truth" I believe. The day when Wikileaks release complete 100+ page document regarding 911 inside operation (if any), then it will be settled.
     
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    good points. ill look into that stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw i love this guys voice haha but really good stuff
     
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    it wasnt free fall actually thats been debunked but it was damn close too damn close and it falling into its footprint both clear signs of inside work
     
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    also to add about the whole melting theory melted steel was found in the ruble so more proof. of inside work
     
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    well about the WTC7 Nist report is correct ( i talk as a physicist, so i ignore linguistic points, english is not my language so i dont see the problem with "bring it down"), beside there has been no explosion or explosives trace found, and the free fall time is perfectly coherent with a collapse, and let's not forget the collapse for wtc 7 was predicted much before it happened, media reported the collapse even before it too k place.
     
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    watch that whole video
     
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    well , there is an explanation, gravity, that's how u have the free fall speed (slighty slower to be fair)

    baryum? strontium? Tritium? source please, and remember baryum is unstable and reacts easily with oxygen, so i doubt your claim is true, and about Tritium, despite being radioactive, it's produced commonly in the atmosphere, but its not a proof of explosion, unless we want claim there was an hydorgen bomb (an old one also, cause it's the Sakharov design or the Teller one even)
     
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