NI Massive delay numbers explanation

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  1. D-Music

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    I understand 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64 and triplets/dots. But I never figured it out properly when it comes to the numbers used in NI Massive. Is there a way to translate the numbers in the Master FX delay section to something more reasonable so settings from presets can be re-created in let's say EchoBoy? I've read something about beat divisions and dividing (2/4 = 1/2 or 2/8 = 1/4) but still .. and the manual isn't helpful at all. Here's a little puzzle with examples (feel free to correct/add etc):

    1/1 = 1/1
    1/2 = 1/2

    1/4 = 1/4
    2/4 =
    3/4 = 1/4 dot
    4/4 =

    1/8 = 1/8
    2/8 =
    3/8 =
    4/8 =

    1/12 = triplet ?
    2/12 =
    3/12 =
    4/12 =

    1/16 = 1/16
    2/16 =
    3/16 = 1/8 dot
    4/16 =

    1/24 = triplet ?
    1/32 = 1/32
    1/64 = 1/64

     
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    2/4 = 1/2
    3/4 1/4 dot. 1/4 dot = 3/8 (1/4 = 2/8, dot = + half of it => 2/8 + 1/8 = 3/8).
    4/4 = full bar

    2/8 = 1/4
    3/8 = could be 1/4 for triplet 8th, or 1/4 dot
    4/8 = 2/4 = 1/2

    The next one's gonna be funny:
    1/12 = triplet ? could be a triplet 8th in a 4/4 bar, but also a 16th in 3/4 bar
    2/12 = that would be 2 triplet 8th, but also an 8th in 3/4 bar
    3/12 = 1/4 (3 triplet 8th), but also 1/8dot in a 3/4 bar
    4/12 = 1/3 [​IMG], 1/4 in a 3/4 bar

    2/16 = 1/8
    4/16 = 1/4

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    I think the 12ths are based on the 3/4 measure used predominantly in classical music. It's the equivalent to 16ths in a 4/4 measure. Probably useful if you want to create some odd off beat rhythm in a 4/4 based production.
     
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    massive also has 5/16, which i havnt seen anywhere else.

    a whole mystery are the times abletons delay has 1-16
    L: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,16 and R: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,16

    with this you can also get L5,R16?

    but massive has R: 5/16 and L: 1/8?

    thats totally confusing what ableton delay has?
    any ideas?
     
  7. phumb-reh

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    When synced Ableton's numbers are 16th notes, so for L 5/16 and R 1/8 you'd use L 5 and R 2.
     
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