Exorbitant Sizes of Sample Libraries

Discussion in 'samples' started by minozheros, Jul 10, 2020.

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Do you think sample libraries really have to be that big?

Poll closed Jul 17, 2020.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Just stop complaining and buy a bigger harddrive

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  1. orbitbooster

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    I was discussing this matter with a friend of mine. No matter how you increase sample size, you'll never get the real thing, but it's obvious. With a proper complex algorithm you can get nearer, and that's basically physical modelling.
    You don't see much of physmod around, simply because, beside a more powerful CPUs it's much more complex than sampling and arranging samples.

    And yet I was f...g enjoying the 3 (or 4) floppies of DOOM, countless days spent playing and modifying wads.:rofl:
     
  2. minozheros

    minozheros Kapellmeister

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    Actually I don't think i did miss it. I am pretty sure I didn't.. What were you on about again? :woot: Sorry.. just teasing you
     
  3. minozheros

    minozheros Kapellmeister

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    I am pretty sure that AI will make it easier because the magic of AI is that you don't actually have to understand what you are doing. It is sufficient to set the most basic rules and enable the AI to figure out all the difficult stuff on its own.
     
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  4. Polomo

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    The day AI’s are so advanced they could do this we will need no composers anymore .
    All music will be written by Glados and friends at this moment :suicide:

    I worked a lot with physical modelled synths,
    some sound nearly as good as a Sampled one.
    So do we need big sample libarys .
    For some instruments for sure , but for some a Sakura like VST will work as well .
     
  5. Backtired

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    i'm pretty sure we already reached the point where we have more than enough stuff to make any kind of music. so, what's the deal?

    companies have to make money somehow, and they're suffocating. they've been for a few years i think. like someone else said, people were doing music on less than 256mb machines years ago... music that i still listen to today... so, why not sample for the 100th time a piano sound and make a piano library for 50gb? besides in a full mix those sounds really add absolutely nothing at the end of the day, unless you're doing concrete piano music or something

    but apparently it's the SIZE that matters, not how you USE it... (the produkt, you dirty mind)
     
  6. DoubleTake

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    Well it seems there are good arguments for efficient and extravagant sample libraries, so there can be no total agreement about this.
    But i think we can all agree Hans Zimmer needs to tighten up that lower lip.
     
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  7. The Pirate

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    It does not surprise me that libraries are getting bigger. Some members have said that it is a marketing plot, however, the main factor has been the significant decrease for storage. Years ago the developers needed to take into consideration the high cost of storage media but that is not the case today. For the past 35+ years or so, hard drives prices have dropped, from around $500,000 per gigabyte in 1981 to less than $0.03 per gigabyte today. Therefore, developers will continue to push the envelope with the size of libraries increasing. Is it necessary? Depends on who you ask.
     
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  8. Trurl

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    It's just like processing power in general- as it improves developers will immediately use it. The need to streamline for weaker systems disappears. Once you were forced to download crap MP3s due to bandwith and storage limitations. Video was unthinkable. Now you can download UHD movies with impunity.
     
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  9. 23322332

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    Libraries are big mainly because they offer you several microphone positions.
    I doubt that this library 100 gb of content is that deeply sampled. It's not impossible that you can hit 100 gb with a single mic position, if you sample a virtuoso player that basically does most techniques possible with the instrument. There were 1 or 2 such Kontakt guitar libraries (never tried them, just watched the demo videos, I own several real guitars already, so don't really need it much, especially when a single guitar was like 40 gbs, like who the hell would use that shit, imagine loading the whole thing in RAM, everything gone for a single guitar, right...)
     
  10. WizzDome71

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    once youve downloaded it, you will have to buy a SSD for it lol. double pain in the ass
    i have about 14TB of kontakt libraries. I guess i'll never have the money to buy the SSDs. Maybe in 10 years when the prices are acceptable

    oh btw is the embertone piano library (188 gb) worth downloading?
     
  11. Xupito

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    That's right, GPUs for real-time audio add latency. Batch-oriented, not designed for small GPU->CPU latency. Doesn't help that OpenCL last time I checked was a whorehouse.
    But it can be done and I found some papers/github projects around. AFAIK Acustica Audio plugins are the only known ones that can use GPU. No big surprise here :rofl:
    Because almost nobody has been able to properly install it. @The Pirate is a testament to that. He tried to explain it and now is nuts :hahaha:
    Spot on. If you only keep the close/mix one in orchestral/choir libs sometimes you end with a powerchord fifth of the size.
    Not to mention 8dio (with academy award winner Trolls Froelman, yes, yes, we know...) libs are shipped in 96Khz. W T F??? I have a lite version of Lacrimosa with one mic/44Khz that barely makes 2 GB.
    I wonder why there's almost no light (one mic) versions of big libs.
     
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  12. boogiewoogie

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    It only took me about half an hour :D
     
  13. minozheros

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    I didn't download it, so it took no time at all :bleh:
     
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  14. Smoove Grooves

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    Well, in that instance I would hope the composer is just scoring with the libraries and gets an orchestra to play it.
    But I guess even that is changing now.
     
  15. No Avenger

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    Sad but true. :rofl:
     
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    I really wonder why no one mentioned that this trend is going on for almost two decades now. I mean EastWest Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra is from 2003 and already needed more than 100GB, with all expansions it needs 194GB and EW Hollywood Orchestra was deliverd on a disk right away because it had 650GB.
    Take a look at Orchestral Tools Berlin, close a 1TB, or even Superior Drummer 3, close to 100GB for the full basic installation.

    Do we need all what's in there? Most of us for sure not. For instance the articulation list for all strings (sections and solo) for EW QL SO is, hold on tight, 17 pages long (most of which I don't even know)!
     
  17. Trurl

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    It's about choice though. At some point or another I may want every bit of the alternative possibilities of the full S3 install and what's 100Gb, really? On a 4Tb drive? Honestly, with all the expansions I may have at least 1Tb devoted just to Toontrack and why not... I *might* want to use any of it sooner or later...
     
  18. Xupito

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    Which is already a really great leap forward.
    Shit happens, what can we do... :rofl:
    I guess is something it can't be helped. Companies must find ways to make customers pay again with every new release. The easiest way is to add more samples/articulations (frequently from the same recording) because disk space gets cheaper.

    And even when the pros doesn't need the crazy increase in samples there's always the pseudo-snobby-elitist factor we all know and love: mine's bigger. Happens with music hardware. Happens with sampling frequencies, DAWs, plugins, monitors, cars,.. Soon will happen with physical modelling.
     
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  19. orbitbooster

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    I see that your lib is big as mine...
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  20. orbitbooster

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    I really hope so, we share the same dream, Xupito.
    I hope physmod will replace any sample lib in a near future.
    BTW, physmod will never become huge as sample libs.
     
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