Just so you know. Cpus play a minor role in "loading things". Hard disk/SSD and Ram are mostly responsible for fast loading times.

Not really, unless you are a fanboy which isn't very smart, especially when you are on a tight budget.

Nope, gpu cost is insignificant (~30 dlrs) when its purpose is 2D display and minor DAW/plug animations. Nobody cancelled a build because it went 30 dlrs higher. But then again nobody paid money to buy a Celeron for DAW...

Well... Some people never learn and i find now they can't read either.

 

check your daw and plugins and approx minimum spec for your workflow.. fast cpu cant guarantee you work fast.. reaper reascript can..

 

Ryzen 3200g, any opinion?

 

you're misunderstanding everything I'm saying out of the love for amd and sounding like a smart ass. shameless guy
argue with yourself LOL

 

I would disagree with everything you said, taskforce has made some very good arguments. Its up to you if you listen or not. Good luck with you build, I hope it works out for you.

 

You know I sit here and starch my head on your statement. > The Intel is better for gaming and for single core Applications.

I know Intel has better single core preform than AMD. so a 4 % per core is 4 % times 8 cores. These are not actual number just a basic guess. Also Intel has a better SSE plus other optimization for Audio than AMD. Don't get me wrong AMD is a great bang for the buck, but Intel is superior for audio. Also there is only one Thunder bolt board for AMD which is a basic board one PCIE slot. Intel has many.

I do know he said cheap chip Just stating some facts. I can still use my 4790k and do Audio just fine. I have had both AMD x64 and Intel for Audio.

 

literally anything nowadays is good enough for audio processing and VST, question is how much audio tracks, plugins and VSTs you're going to run,
I'll probably repeat myself again, but if you're on tight budget, you can save TON of money just buying used gaming PC, which will handle audio without hiccups,
when I briefly check some local deals by people getting rid of gaming PCs, for ex. at 675€ I could get a nice complete hackintosh-ready desktop PC with i7-6700K, Noctua NH-U9S cooler, ASUS Z170i mobo, 16GB Kingston ram, 250GB 850 EVO SSD, Fractal Design Define Nano S case...

and if you want great low-latency rock-solid performance for virtual instruments, you'll need something like RME HDSPe AIO inteface, which alone costs 580€, and I can assure you the price is well worth it

 

...but are perfectly suitable for audio recording (up to 30 channels simultaneously let's say), and in combination with second computer running Vienna Ensemble Pro server to host all the virtual instruments (which are available immediately, no need to have coffee break waiting for project/session in DAW open), it's an interesting cost-effective option even nowadays (with tons of relatively well performing hardware like 2500, 3770, 4770 "office tier" stuff.. to be made VEP server for less than 300€)

 

my advice is that go for msi b450 tomahawk max. and save the money for hdd / ssd or m.2 or a good gpu whatever you want to go ahead with. just that one edit nothing much bro.

 

In my Opinion, an i5 is not an option for serious audio production. i5s are for surfing the net and office work.

 

my first post says i bought the celeron already and that I'm waiting for it to arrive
so anything after that is for the birds. what's done is done. do I have to pack the shit up and return it to please the people here? wtf... i din't impose what i'm doing on anyone either. I'm simply sharing my experiences

i explicitly mention the 500gb m.2 ssd and 32 gigs of ram in the build i ordered, hence me talking about how fast it is, regardless of the cpu.

and it's definitely a personal thing because personally, i haven't ever had any problems with intel and don't mind paying the 50/60 pound extra. my money, my experiences my decisiosons. stop geeking out over computer brands mate

I'm really not bothered about how much you guys hate my decision to get a celeron. suck it up, i didn't spend your money

the Intel Core i5 10600K is my next purchase because my motherboard supports 1200 socket. it's 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 4.1GHz, 4.8GHz Turbo, 12MB Cache, with my m.2 ssd and 32gb ram.

sheesh

 

You can even get the ryzen 7 3800x now for 300 € and ryzen 9 3900x for 400€

 

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I am still using it as well.. it has been running since 2012 overclocked to 4.5 ghz without any problems.. a great cpu

 

Regarding the importance of single core speed vs number of cores discussion.. As far as I know the whole plugin chain of a channel runs on the same thread. I am sure that this is the case for ableton live, not completely sure for other DAWs though. So if you have too many effects on one channel you might get into trouble regardless of the number of cores you have. So grouping a channel and splitting the effects between the group and the channel should be helpful, at least in theory. I never actually tried it though. Apart from that the multi-threading should split up different channels to different threads pretty effectively, so it is a mix of both number of cores and single core speed that matters.

 

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Right

in Terms of the actual numbers for those two CPUS it's

i5 10600
Multi :15047
Single 2995
Cores 6

3700X
Multi 22720
Single :2683
8 Cores

I know cpubenchmark is a synthetic bench which is not a 100% real world scenario competition.
(so please don´t kill me because of that )
by the way the ryzen is 10-20$ cheaper
and ryzen got the lower TDP which mean less to cool so less noise emission . (But this is a bit complex since AMD and Intel are both a bit stage about this topic )

The OP wrote that he needs a Firewire card . Thunderbolt is a nice to have thing but irrelevant atm for the OP

 

That's right. The number of simultaneously recordable tracks depends more on the interface and the hard disk.

I tried with Reaper and you're right. I could run 12 tracks with 7,2% CPU load each, running smoothly, but one track with 20,3% was full of dropouts.

 

I think if 20% do produce a lot of dropouts you should try to increase your buffer size, if you can get away with doing it. if you were using a bigger buffer size you should be able to go up to 50% or even 70% on all cores without any dropouts. If you can record with low latency mode on for example or you dont need your latency to be this small.

 

You're right, but that was not my point. I just wanted to show that the CPU load can go above 80% without any dropouts as long as the load is spread over several tracks and thus calculated by several (all) threads, whereas a 20% CPU load (in this case and with the same interface settings) could already lead to dropouts if the load comes from a single track only and therefore is calculated by only one core.

 

Don't worry, you can plug a PCIe 1x in a PCIe 4x slot.

 

Wait for Ryzen 4000 if you can, which will be released later this year. There will probably be one around 300€ that's a much better value than anything on the market right now.