Ableton 10 and difference of peak meters readings

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  1. nmkeraj

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    Hi. Can you explain where the difference of peak meter readings of Drum Rack and Master track comes from? Shouldn't Drum Rack's peak and Master's peak the same? There is no processing of the signal between those two gain stages. Nothing attenuates nor boosts the signal.
     

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    Im assuming nothing is on your master bus?
     
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    it's just like that
     
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    Did you upload the wrong pics or am I missing something?
    • meters1:
      Drum Rack peak -1,83, current value a bit above -12
      Master peak -1,81, current value a bit above -12
    • meters2:
      Drum Rack peak +1,88, current a bit below -6
      master peak +1,89, current a bit below -6
    Are you talking about the 0,01 or 0,02 difference?
     
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  7. nmkeraj

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    Yes, picts are good. The diff 0.01 and 0.02 I mean. I am just curious. Master track is empty. It is digital system so should be digitally precise in theory.
     
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    yeah.....thats the thing with theory and reality....... they are not the same :bow:
     
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    You need to work more with VU meters so you will learn how important 0,01 or 0,02dB are.
     
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  10. nmkeraj

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    More interesting thing is, why is the duplicated track different than original? The difference is up to 2-3db. ??? The tracks are the same...
     
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    Maybe the statistics are being read at different times?
     
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    Since the max values for Kick, Snare and HH are identical, I suppose in meters1 Snare and HH are not playing?
     
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    Snare and HH are muted just for test purposes. Anyway, everything is summed into Rack Drum meter. Whatever is coming out from Rack Drum should be the same in Master Track. As for another post about the duplicated track. I duplicated the bassline track and two the same tracks are different up to 2-3db. This is f... interesting. The tracks may not play identically in time due to the delay in synth but after the whole track is played the peak meters show maximum peaks. They should be the same. Every time I play the track the difference is not the same. Does the resolution of sampling of the DAW play the role or so?
     

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    Bro, you're not talking about realtime values of a synth, are you? Due to modulation the levels can of course be different. Same with RR samples. You need to do this with an audio file.
     
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    Yes, you are right about real time values. I mean the little oval windows with peak readings
     
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    Maybe I need to rephrase, of course you showed us real time values, that was obvious, but from a synth? You need to do this either with unmodulated basic waveforms like sine, square or triangle, any kind of noise generator or with a wave file.
    A synth sound, like RR samples, can definitely produce different peak values.
     
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