Apple is dead.
Zero innovation in the last years (basically since Jobs death), and now they move to the shittiest cpu they could develop to run phone apps... in a 3000$ computer.

 

Well, plenty of "half ass faux Mac" builds match the performance of $2000 Macs for half the price (or exceed it), with better cooling and infinitely more upgrade options. Not to mention the ability to get a system tailored to your budget. Apple has a lot of missing categories of devices which got a lot of people to switch to PC workstations. There are no mid-high tier desktop Apple computers for serious professionals who don't have the $6000 budget for a Mac Pro.

And as an owner of such a system built last year, I'm comfortably running Mojave 10.14.6 and expect to continue doing so for years to come. In terms of audiovisual work, I'm not concerned about changes in Apple hardware as long as the software I rely on is compatible with later versions of the software, should I want to move later on. Fortunately, stems bounced to WAV for archival reasons don't care if they're used on Mac, Windows or whatever else. And plugins work on a wide array of system versions, I don't expect ARM-only audio plugins any time soon.

 

They have to start at where they are: Ipad and Iphone development.
And they have to end at desktop/laptop PCs with the full Final Cut/Adobe/Logic Pro x86 developed suites.
Obviously experimentally they are at some middle point or won't have gone official.

Apple made exactly the same move many years ago, from Motorola (or whatever) to Intel x86. Steve Jobs was at his best.

I agree last years Apple has been a bit too much about the money, but hey, now they have loads to spend on this big move.

 

this guy gonna take down Apple alone! He tells the ugly truth behind the "famous" Apple Agenda:

watch more of his videos, and u know why.

 

Hackintoshes will as long work as Apple support Intel Macs, so any Hackintosh user is in the same boat as a MacPro user ;) and you with your 2 week old Mini

 

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That's great but how easy will it be to copnvert software to Arm, especially if it relie on SSE or other Intel specialized stuff ?
And how will this recompiled adpated code (CISC->RISC) performe in contrast to the original code on an CISC CPU ?
I bet there will be no OpenGL/CL anymore either so developers also have to craete 2 version one OpelGL/CL for Windows/Linux and one Metal for macOS ?
Can any developer afford that move ?

Intersting times

 

Well, Apple said they're still going to put out a few more Intel-based machines. Soooo keep your hopes up.

 

I never understood why people get so invested in trying to predict the future. It's been explained to me over and over that the majority of humans see themselves as prey and therefore are always trying to predict future outcomes to mitigate being eaten by the big bad wolf... but honestly, buy it or don't. This is as bad the Ford vs Chevy inbredabates that I grew up around.

If you don't like it don't buy it and if you like it buy it. It's my money or lack of it and I don't need anyone to tell me what to do with it.

These threads are about as useful as hyperbolic threads on which statues would have the best breast milk if statues had working breasts and nipples.

 

Intel only PC <---- perfect!

Mac <---- who really cares?

 

Apple now is all about money. This administration have no ideas for the company. They just want and need profitfor the share holders. Small useless changes in the equipment that they keep charging A LOT of money for it (And we all know that not even half they cost) it's not a innovation.
The best move I did was when I sold all my Apple crap some years ago and changed to Windows.

 

That's only half of truth though.
Yep, VSTis a standard and 0 fees. But:
VST 2 never was "open". You always needed licensing contract to use it.
VST 3 is somewhat more open, but only under the terms of GPL3 (which is unsuitable for most commercial use cases). In case you want the less limiting (proprietary) license, go sign the contract. That can get terminated at anytime

Not a stable ground for building your stuff on in my humble opinion

 

Two things not to ignore:
Translation of x86 inline assembler to ARM is not just a magic compiler switch. (same goes for intrinsics to some extent).
Several optimizations, benchmarks and profiling results might not apply on ARM anymore –> means re-optimize again.

 

Spot on.
Even without going so deep as assembler/intrinsics, tough somehow related, there's the cache-friendliness and in general memory management. All those things will be different in ARM architecture.

But it'll be cool to see how they perform when we arrive in those estimated 2 years. Also means throwing away a lot of now bloated x86 CPUs backwards compatibility. I'm rooting for these future ARM-based CPUs just as I'm rooting for todays AMD's but without completely sweeping Intel of the market. Competence is good for us consumers.

If I was a Mac user, my main concern would the new Mac OS design. Though commercially makes a lot of sense to make an iOS-like Mac OS that's potentially terrible.

 

Apple is kicking software developers ass.
Again.
Just like to CamelAudio's customers some years ago.

The same old story.

 

i built my own pc several years ago when windows 8 was released. i have never had to do any service on any component of the pc since the day i built it. i don't spend any time troubleshooting problems that never exist. if you feel good about paying extra for that same peace of mind, that's cool.

 

You've been extremely lucky then. Besides, it's a fact Mac OS has always been more productive than Windows. At least until very few years ago. The hardware fragmentation for Mac is way smaller (bright side of a bad thing, but still).

Not to mention if we know how to build a PC we know how to deal ourselves with most of the problems.

 

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Incredible. So much hate for a brilliant decision that will mean Macs will soon blow equivalent Windows PC's out the water. x86 is played out, on what world is Apple bringing ARM to their devices a bad thing? Initially it will suck, but when things are optimised, and especially when plugins start running natively rather than through Rosetta 2, this is absolutely going to shape the industry. Even with the translation, their processors could still surpass the current processor choices on Macs in terms of performance, all while running cooler and using less power.

Now the design of macOS 11? Not so much. Looks like a damn phone and a definite oversight on Apple's part. But the whole ARM thing, if they do it right, is the next big step.

 

The problem isn’t Apple because PCs have been using ARM processors for years. The problem is developers. They either:

1 - don’t have the resources
2 - too lazy
3 - not advance enough in coding

I’ve been down this path before. Companies with money and resources will adjust. Their main problem is software that depends on 3rd party hardware ( Digidesign pre Intel).

 

Really? ARM based CPU's on desktop PCs?

The only one I have heard of is a SnapDragon ARM-based used in that Windows mini-latop/mega-tablet thing.

 

Errr yep there are no desktops with ARM, unless you are Chinese lol you won't find any. But there are many server clusters with ARM based cpus running versions of Linux etc. If you are adventurous you can try building a pc with ARM running Linux. Application compatibility will be limited though.

Errrr... How ? Threadripper 3990X outperforms everything with its 64 cores /128 threads and 88 pci-e gen.4 lanes. And it's a desktop x86 cpu. Apps don't come close to harnessing its full potential apart from a few scientific ones. And who knows what AMD has in store for their late 2020 release not to mention next year things will get very interesting with DDR5 hitting the desktops and laptops later on... Also on a side note AMD's server line 64core cpus, also x86, support up to 4tb of ram lol. Which is more ram than most peeps have as hard disk space...
Talking about cpus, Apple's move is a control/leadership move. They want to make sure Hackintosh will cease to exist, they want total control of their ecosystem with a more tight security that will probably only benefit Apple on the long run. They want to show they 're ahead of the pack especially their arch nemesis MS whose ARM Surface tablet is pretty much a useless Netbook with a fancy display but very few apps and lackluster performance.
We 'll just have to wait and see i guess. I am no fanboy of any OS or company. They all suck for various reasons. But i do like comps. It's true, as quoted in the past, whoever loves software have to build their own hardware. And Apple want to stay true to this, if only it's with an IPhone cpu on steroids.
For what it's worth i am sure their laptops will sell like crazy now that they bring Iphone and Ipad app integration, but allow me to have my reservations for their desktop line.
Cheers

 

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