Model Ds require a good half an hour to stay in tune, did you give it some time?

 

My two cents: I gotta a minilogue original some time ago. 4 voices Poly, ability to store presets (200 on the machine and you can save your banks in the computer) and It tunes automatically at the press of two buttons when needed. It's not a big bass synth, but It was a good compromise because I wanted hands on control for live performances (and for this It works great. I m a guitar player, but I like to twist knobs and play a couple of chords over some sequences live). Has It substituted synth plugins in my workflow? No. Software is just way more convenient to record and edit (my workflow ok?), and sounds very, very good. The minilogue has a character (reminds me of Waldorf Largo), bright, metallic. But It can sound warm too. And can do bass, but needs some processing as everything. As I said, I use It more for performance than in my songs (I am too used to vsts).

 

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i guess plenty newby owners dont know it . otherwise not such amount of reviews
i forgot it too but hey is it not with most of the analog synths like this

 

Older are sure, but something like Roland Asshole just needs a warm blow on it and it's good to go.

 

If you're looking for a synth that has a nice low end,rather listen the Moog Minitaur demo.However no plugins equals a good hardware analog monosynth for fat analog basslines.

 

Some modern analog synths have a thermal sensor inside that helps the synth staying in tune according to the temperature.For example my Roland SE-02 and Toraiz AS-1 have one.I'm pretty sure many others too.I don't know about the Boog.

 

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@Molly Poppins : Did you tried the last Novation PEAK ?

 

you clearly have zero experience with analog synths. the OP is right, vsts can not match good analog synths in many ways, one of those is frequency cross talk that can make only one track sound like you have several tracks layered, this is where vsts fail, even the best ones. sub bass is another region where analog wins any day. rounder yet punchier transients, i could go on and on...

 

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This is just the same "digital vs. analog" argument from recording in general over again, isn't it.

 

Don't worry,he's trolling once again.He's actually funny when he's claiming that old analog synths are mostly poor filter designed when todays synth manufacturers and plugin developpers are mostly still using the old Moog,Oberheim,Korg or Roland filter designs.And distortion isn't nice?!!

 

While I am of course trolling, but not much, out of these you mentioned, the early Korg ones were the worst designed from engineering perspective (Korg also produced the first commercial (actually 3 of them - the PS family) and last real analogue poly. synth ever, everything else is pretty much a hybrid!!! ).
But you care mostly about "hype", what is "considered as classic", not about engineering, right?
Analogue worship is a kind of cult, I know I can't argue with maniacs...
Modern commercial synths are based on these old design, because that's what people want and will buy, not because that's the best it can be produced with modern technology.

Of course, digital is not without it's faults, if you want realtime playback, there will be always some kind of latency in the system.

About distortion in synths - it can be nice, but it's better to have control over it. Clean sounds>dirty sounds.
Considering how cpu intensive and how easy it's to alias in digital realm, buying analogue waveshapers and amps make sense way more than buying synths and effects(except filters, if you want high analogue resonance for sweeps etc, the CPU hit it's not worth it, unless you use something that can reproduce it without consuming much resources - Tone2 and NI have such synths can can "sample" the IR of any filter, it's kind of efficient tech).

 

Oh God!! This is so boring. I swear I am going to talk to God about this. And he listens to me.

 

I bought my first synth in 1974. A Roland SH-3A. I've owned 32 synths since then. I currently have 14 in my studio. If you think you can pick a VST compared to hardware in a mix by picking up on frequency crosstalk, you're not only full of shit, you're like a religious zealot who gathers fellow believers around them to construct a positive feedback loop, thus proving their inerrancy. So please, as you say go on and on watching the oscilloscope as it produces an imperfect sine wave, your stethoscope pressed to the studio monitor, exclaiming "See! By Jove!! There is a 0000.1% distortion on the analog signal! I was right all along."

 

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Thank god, finally someone telling the truth. Yes, all your little vsts are useless to recreate analog sounds guys, it's just the sad reality stop spreading fake news!

 

I don't understand this kind of question.... how would you a vst synth or fx recreate an hardware device ... if buying a vst at 150 euros recreate a sub 37 nobody buy a Moog at a high price it's logic for me... so there are good vst and plugin but nothing similar to hardware ... if you want good rumbling bass you will have to buy a reel mono synth for this ...

 

and some people can not tell the difference between 128kb mp3 and flac, some peoples ears are just not built up for these comparisons, no matter how many analog synths you own, if you cant hear you cant hear.
vsts, many of them are good, , but to me the difference in analog vs vsts is not small.

 

you talk about clean and then you talk dirt.
are you talking S/N ratio, saturation, distortion....
if you want clean get a 100$ casio synth.

 

difference. yes, it is different. is the difference good or bad? who decides? the artist decides which properties are desirable to them. it is just sound in the end, and surely sound is neither good or bad in and of itself. it is just plonked or sqeeked into life, and there it is, bouncing around for its short time.

maybe someone may be a purist who only consumes soloists live in an acoustic space -- these days it is not the usual. as you point out, as soon as you sequence enough of these raw plonks and squinks into a rough form for a certain amount of time the objectives in turn become different. decisions. the process of differentiation becomes more one of integration, and maybe antiderivation of integrals, or whatever the hell.

the production <--> reproduction cycle, meters a difference yet again. more decisions.

by far the most, and maybe the only, important component in all phases is the artists decisions, and may all the gods in all the heavens bless them for it.

the final product however -- we and our grossly distasteful, muffled ears decide.

 

Over the course of my career I've owned MiniMoogs, a MemoryMoog, a Sonic 6, a Prophet 10, a Pro-One, some very interesting and nice sounding stuff. There are many reasons to own a hardware synth over a virtual one that have nothing to do with pure sound quality. Theres knobs that you can grab, the fact that you can pick them up and take them places (well, not the Prophet 10), and mainly the big fat chubby you get when you look at them sitting on the stand. They cost a lot of money, you have to justofy that in your mind by loving them. I think 80% of what drives analog synth ownership is what drives people to collect anything. It's just having that fetish of a THING. LOOK AT MY ROOOM WITH $120,000 OF STAR WARS COLLECTIBLES! And that's fine. I eventually sold all mine because I decided I'd rather have the money, and I bought more virtual stuff. The MemoryMoog paid for my wedding and I don't miss it. It was a money pit; those things never work unless you give them about a $10,000 retrofit. All you analog fetishists, bless your hearts and have at it. I'll stick with a good quality soft synth and some eq. It works really well.

 

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You're trolling because you're always very controversial here.I was thinking to the MS-20 filters (HP AND LP) when I mentionned Korg.Personnally I'm fond of these filters,they are very aggressive and musical.
No,I don't think the filter designs I cited are used for the hype but because they were well designed and they sound awesome,and each of them is characterful.I'm not saying modern digital or analog designs suck by the way.My Toraiz AS-1 which is very modern (basically it's one Prophet 6 voice,discreet VCO and Filter) has an outstanding LP filter.
I can understand some people like digital synthesizers/plugins for their infinite possibilities and tones and their convenient workflow but for me they lack something,not deep and alive like the analog ones.
Maybe for you analog synths don't make sense but for me they do.I use some synth plugins from time to time though.