Metropolis Ark 1 now on SINE

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  1. twoheart

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    Orchestral tools has ported their Ark 1 library to their own SINE player. Free for current Ark 1 users.

    As expected by many OT apparently also ports the current versions of their libraries to SINE not only the new ones.
    With this OT fills a hole that was created by the long time cracked Native Instruments Kontakt that allows users to work with any library without a license.
    It is to be feared that other vendors will also protect their flagship libraries in this way so that we may see a bunch of different players in the future, as Kontakt seems notoriously insecure for a library vendor.

    I suspect OT will not sell Ark for Kontakt in the future.
     
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  3. Talula

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    not sure about this... I have ark 1 for sine and have some ideas.
     
  4. Talula

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    after promo license crossgrade price will be 59 USD. OT will sell ark and other libraries for both platforms and take additional 59 USD from users for crossgrade from kontakt to sine.
     
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    I really don't like the SINE player GUI and moreover he use a lot of CPU resource. They really need to improve it.
     
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    It has happened before. East West, Vienna Symphonic,...
    Sucks for us but the biggest companies can afford to develop a proprietary sample-based VSTi engine. Still, it's a big and complex process. East West Play engine took years to get to a good performance.
    Best service (or whatever) tried hard but failed big time with its "Engine 2" (or whatever) and had to revert back to use Kontakt.

    Edited: corrected Vir2 to est Service, thanks @Talula
     
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    engine is a best service's player (original software - magix independent as I remeber)
    maybe you mean momentum player by big fish audio?
     
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    Thanks friend, that was the one I meant (Best Service's Engine 2). Corrected
     
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    That may be the case now, but I don't think for long.
    The reason for OT to develop their own player at a high cost is not that Kontakt does not work well with their libraries, but that Kontakt does not protect their products sufficiently.
    In this situation, it would be absurd to offer one of their high-priced products on cracked software plattform, wouldn't it?
     
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    Agreed. The whole player is really no fun to use and it has the look and feel more of a cheap internet browser than a plyer for a musical instrument. Using their high priced libs in SIne is like using a Porsche motor in a Fiat 500.
     
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  11. Talula

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    kontakt must be cracked for loading libraries without activation.
    sine player must offline to import and using any sine library on any machine for any period.

    the main reason for OT - money. because it's buiseness. NI receives a commission from each sale - for entering the serial number into the database so that the library can be activated. they also require money for the ability to download libraries using their native access. for using their nks standard third party developer also have to pay. in total, NI can earn up to 200 USD from each third-party library sold. therefore, for OT the reason is primarily in the money. and OT sine defense is the weakest of all such programs. checked by me today with metropolis ark 1 for sine.
     
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    They are no fools. Just looking at the distribution (that includes the ID/SNPID I guess) the developer has two options:
    - Official NI registered: .nkx format, SNPID and so on. The dev has to pay NI. The user can use free Kontakt player
    - No NI registered: no .nkx, no SNPID. That means Kontakt Player won't do. The dev doesn't pay that part to NI, but the user has to pay full Kontakt
     
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    блииииин... мужик, ты прикалываешься? use https://translate.google.com/ to understand my rusian speech

    мне реально лень мучится с переводом... не хочешь думать над прочитанным, тогда переводи и подумай над дополнением.

    ты думаешь, что выкладывая столько продуктов для kontakt я не знаю что есть 2 варианта? ты просто оскорбляешь меня этим... =(
    только вот в чём нюанс: для второго варианта можно использовать легальную версию kontakt. и защита таких продуктов дело самих разработчиков. drumdrops channel и robot встраивают в свои продукты проверку серийного номера.
    а ещё я ни слова не сказал об этом варианте. я говорил только про первый вариант.

    а вот для первого варианта недостаточно иметь kontakt full. необходим взломанный kontakt, который не проверяет активацию. знаешь чем отличается регистрация от активации? так вот такую библиотеку активирует NI по серийному номеру. по тому серийному номеру который они вносят в свою базу данных. и активируется он с помощью их native access.

    таким образом для работы библиотеки нужны два компонента: сама библиотека и взломанный kontakt.
    и как мы знаем по опыту, далеко не все могут могут с этими двумя компонентами получить рабочую библиотеку.

    почему я уверен, что для OT вопрос в их собственных доходах (а точнее в сокращении расходов на комисси NI)? почему я уверен, что разработкой sine они занялись НЕ из-за уязвимостей kontakt для взлома? да потому что OT не встроили в свой sine ВООБЩЕ НИКАКОЙ ЗАЩИТЫ! всё проверяется на сервере и обрабатывается на сервере. потому что OT не имеют опыта в разработке защиты.

    можно собрать по 10 долларов с 1000 человек, купить JXL Brass, скачать его, отправить тем 1000 людям которые дали по 10 долларов с предупреждением заблокировать sine доступ к интернету, в инструкции указать куда надо скопировать 1 файл и 1 папку (в которой 1 файл) и это ВСЁ! запускаешь sine, жмёшь import collection, указываешь папку со звуками и... вуаля! 1000 человек получили эту библиотеку по цене 10 долларов, OT получила свои 700 (или 800) долларов, из который отдала процент Тому, нашедший покупателей положил в карман больше 9000 долларов. вот такая вот "защита" у sine. смешно? конечно... а вот OT должны испугаться. потому что я сейчас расписал схему, по которой любой человек на их продуктах может заработать больше, чем сами OT. LOL!

    p.s. не забудь прочитать всё внимательно и подумать над тем, что я написал. и тебе откроется истина! ;-)
     
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    Just wondering about this, newbie as fuck question, if I get Sine can they detect my non licensed kontakt libraries? Just got panicky when they asked if I wanted to get the sine version of Met Ark, I was like "how the fuck did they know I have that?"
     
  16. Talula

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    no. sine player is not a spyware.
    they ask it EVERYONE who visit their website. it is adverising.
     
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    Only seeing this now, Cheers!
     
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