for midi vst's with no ADSR.....is there a way to adjust the ADSR without converting to audio first which i'm still not sure how i would do but anyway i would prefer if it stayed midi as it would save me time.. is there any plugin i can add to do this

 

http://www.cableguys.com/midishaper.html

 

Not quite sure if I understood, but if you need MIDI envelopes you could try CCStepper:

https://www.codefn42.com/

 

Midishaper is cool. Need this to make a "LM-1 HiHat" style of my own loop. Kontakt can maybe do it with a script, but this is way easier.