VST that can translate a groove to midi like Ableton?

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  1. flguy

    flguy Ultrasonic

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    I've been experimenting with drum loops that are in odd time signatures. It would be helpful to be able to grab the groove from them and translate it into midi like Ableton can do. I use FL Studio which doesn't have a feature like this built in, so I have no choice but to look for a VST that can do this (if there is one).

    Any recommendations would be appreciated.

     
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  3. mickey

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    I'm interested in a program that can convert fl studio grooves(Score) to midi as well for use in studio one( .fsc to midi converter).
     
  4. Smoove Grooves

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    Melodyne can convert your drum audio to MIDI.
    Set algorithm to Percussive.
    Play loop.
    Save To MIDI.
    Done.
     
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  5. flguy

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    Not a bad idea!
     
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    You can't go wrong with melodyne like Smoove said.
    Still, I think there might be other plugins for drums, since they're relatively simpler.
     
  7. Smoove Grooves

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    This is true.
    Or any other daw, for that matter! Can't believe some daws can't do this.
     
  8. kitvonk

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    Propellerhead now Reason Studios still sells Recycle which can export as a midi. It's standalone, too - so you don't even need to put your loop in a DAW or open a DAW. You can also of course save it as a rex loop. cheers. I'm figuring that Geist2 can probably do something like this.

    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/458371/Propellerhead-Recycle.html?page=80

    wouldn't be surprised somehow if newest Reaper couldn't easily do this... ? maybe? it's been awhile since i checked...

    edit: oh shit now you made me look. and of course, I get Kenny G narration as punishment.

     
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  9. Ad Heesive

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    I'm not trying to recommend any software.
    Just some notes to help appreciate what's involved and why this is not always straightforward...

    [1] Do you want simple midi that just gives you the timing of the beats
    OR
    [2] Do you want midi mapped to drums. i.e., different midi notes for snare and kick, etc.

    The recycle approach mentioned above will give you only [1] the simple midi approach.
    In fact the midi will be a chromatic scale with the right timing but the pitches will be meaningless.
    That chromatic midi is meant to be used just to trigger the original sample slices that Recycle produced.

    If, instead, you want [2] 'the midi mapped to drums' (which you probably do)
    then...

    a) if the audio is already in separate stems, kick track, snare track, etc, then its easy,
    you just generate separate midi for each track and sort out the midi to drums mapping yourself.
    Various DAWS and software packages can do this.
    See the Toontrack 'Tracker' video below to see someone extracting midi from separate drum tracks to see what's involved.

    b) if the audio is a single multitrack with all drum parts mixed together, then its more complex because
    how does the software recognise the separate drum parts, or separate the multitrack into separate drum parts?

    The Melodyne approach mentioned above will make a good stab at identifying the separate drums
    but relying on its percussive algorithm will give mixed results - definitely worth trying to see how well it does.

    If it's not as successful as you'd like then watch the video below
    to see what you might end up doing manually in Melodyne to sort it out properly.
    Watching that video will also help to appreciate why all of the above is not always straightforward.

    and then note the same Toontrack 'Tracker' video will also show you how it gets used to extract midi from a single multitrack
    drums audio file. Watch the end of the video from around 5m10s.

    Toontrack 'Tracker' extracting midi from separate drum tracks and from a multitrack drums file


    Melodyne - extracting midi from a multitrack drums audio file
     
  10. kitvonk

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    good call, ad heesive - i was going to suggest toontrack as well but wasn't sure how good it is handling "non toontrack" wavs... e.g. wavs imported
     
  11. taskforce

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    You were correct in the first place mate. Yes Melodyne does this but for drum parts i prefer Superior 3. I can vouch that the Tracker in Superior Drummer 3 is excellent and very usable with attention to detail like ghost notes sensitivity etc.
     
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    You can do it with FL Studio, convert any midi to a score that you can use as a groove with other midi. For a drum loop you put the audio in the Fruity Slicer (I'm not sure if it's as easy with Slicex) and once your satisfy with the way it's chopped, you put the note in "Flatten (groove)" from the Slicer (the 4th button above the solo waveform). You'll have a midi with just the 1st note on every step (the groove), and from there, you go in the piano roll option and "save score as" and save it with all the FL score and it will show up with all the groove the next time you want to quantize something.

    I'm not sure if the "flatten (groove)" step is really necessary, maybe it work directly with the normal midi.

    It's a great way to quantize everything on the same groove, and you can also make your own groove. Also it work better with something that have 16th note or more.
     
  13. xbitz

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    "importing ableton grooves into geist?"
    https://www.fxpansion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7575651

    it works to me
     
  14. Smoove Grooves

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    Well done!
    This is obviously the answer for the FL using OP!
    Best Answer.
     
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