Can other electric guitar plugins play the same techniques as Musiclab's guitars?

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  1. kooper

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    I am pretty sure Musiclab offers fret board positioning.
     
  2. Wolfang

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  3. Xupito

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    I was talking about Prominy and Electricity. They're the only ones who doesn't have it. The older ones.
     
  4. Iggy

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    After getting their SR5 Rock Bass library, and hearing some demos, I actually snagged Prominy V-Metal ... and it almost made Electri6ity look user-friendly by comparison. And that's the easy one! Their Strat and LPC libraries and fucking monsters. I mean, I'm sure all the possible basses are covered and you can almost do anything a real guitarist can do with them, but it would probably be easier just to learn how to play an actual guitar by that point. SR5 is a little complex, but nothing like the guitar libraries.

    Full disclosure: after getting my first Intel Mac laptop, my first music library purchase was PLAY's Ministry of Rock (1), back when it was (ulp!) $500. Aside from the fact that many of its instruments were taken from a much, much cheaper AKAI library called "EastWest Guitars & Basses" (which I'd picked up a month prior for $27), the stuff they didn't "remaster" and repackage for the PLAY engine is most definitely not worth $500.
     
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  5. Xupito

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    Spot on. Imagine my pain... I've been through a lot...:rofl:

    And there's another important huge flaw... since chords are sampled, the moment you want to strum/arpeggiate renders 75% of the library samples useless.
     
  6. Smoove Grooves

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    I've been through nearly every OTS instrument I have, just to tell you what you already know!
    I honestly thought we could purge the un-used pickup. But we can't. I've done lots of updates on them over the years, so I'm stilll wondering if I was imagining things or not.
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    Yes. As I described, that is what I do. I'm a very literal person.
     
  7. Xupito

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    I found that precisely when I was trying to slim down the OTS Dracus library.
    After the initial WTF moment I guessed the stereo thing was due to the two pickups, so I took a Salomonic decision.
    I mixed them to mono and then redid the ncw nkxs containers. I could have picked a particular pick position (no joke intented lol).

    Not my first rodeo either :wink:
     
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  8. Smoove Grooves

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    Which is straight away why I wouldn't do what you've done. Although having said that, I always imagine I'll use pick pos more, but I usually don't!
     
  9. Xupito

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    Yeah, for instance take a Strat. It's not good to keep only one pickup. I don't even need to explain why.
    But if you are doing it for a very metal-oriented guitar and you don't aim for a very close sound to the original then it's very advisable.
     
  10. Iggy

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    I think the problem with those types of libraries (Prominy, Electri6ity) is, in order to use ninety percent of the features, you damn near have to be a guitarist. At least with the Shreddage stuff, it's all pretty simple.
     
  11. Xupito

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    I totally agree. When it comes to facilities for easy programming they show their age.
    In my wildest wet dreams I'd prototype with Ample Sound stuff and then I'd have some remapper to translate to Shreddage/Prominy.
    Not that Shreddage aren't good with that since the v3 versions but with my old pc both the GUI size/responsiveness and RAM usage is a bit high.
    2 weeks ago I downloaded Shreddage v3 Hydra with 8 strings. I'll let you know how it works when the main patch finishes to load :rofl:
     
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    You sir have patience.

    Serious question, I normally don't go heavy on articulations... So lite works on 80% of my stuff. Even covers of Three Days Grace etc, I can fake it and make it without the heavy stuff and relying on additional transformation plugins. My question is do you feel like you have to use their primary version to get the sounds you need and do you actually use those sounds for a specific reason?

    I use DI a lot, use bright clean app sims 3rd party for my rom/com light rock stuff. For my serious shiet I toss in some heavy distortion overdrive, but I'm not worried about realism but sound.

    People like us, we can hear where it's... Off. But for the people listening to my music they just don't hear it. They hear the sounds, the melody, every other instrument... They don't care if you can tell it's a real guitar, so I just stopped trying to emulate one.
     
  13. Trurl

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    ^^^^^^^^^
    I can't do that though- if I hear anything fake sounding it kills me. I'm doing a project right now and I'm trying to play everything and it involves sax. So, I'm using SWAM... it's good, really good but you get into that uncanny valley area where it's so close it almost sounds WORSE. I'm obsessing on every note. And I know I could hire a sax player, I know several but dammit they won't play it EXACTLY HOW I FREAKING WANT IT. I'd have to pay them too much to obsess over every note with me *lol* And anyway I want to be able to say I did everything. Maybe I should just learn sax. Sorry, a little o/t but it goes hand in hand with the whole issue of using sampled instruments...
     
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    To me that doesn't sound good then... I I'd do the same. It's why I say, 80% of the time I can get it mostly to work. But 20%... Yeah. Needs that extra Oomph.

    I find Sax is a completely different beast though. I just have serious issues with them.
     
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    I dig Hydra, but for some reason, Impact Soundworks decided to "tweak" the programming a bit. Mutes are now activated by velocity on the sustain keyswitch instead of having their own keyswitch (pretty much like how Electri6ity does it). I'm sure there's a way to put it back on its own keyswitch, but if there isn't, it'll be a hell of re-learning experience to use Hydra over the other Shreddage libraries. I have no idea why IS did that, as Stratus, their other only-on-Shreddage 3 instrument, still uses separate keyswitches (but oddly enough does not have an FX keyswitch option).
     
  16. Xupito

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    Yeah I also noticed. Probably they couldn't make it compatible with the others shreddage 3 mappings due to the huge range of an 8 string electric guitar in the low end. So they went back to the method everyone uses, including themselves in v2 versions and should have never left. There are also other inconsistencies even bigger. Don't remember in which but in one Shreddage3 guitar there's no specific hammer on/pull-off keyswitch (?). Hopefully they'll update the nki's. Anyways, even more reasons to dream about a fancy remapper and wake up with wet sheets :rofl:

    Actually the lite patches have the same articulations but less round robins and (perhaps) some simplified scripting.
    I'm good using the lite patches and I don't care that the guitar/amp is close to an specific hardware but I care that they sound good an as a guitar, limitations considered. Keep in mind I'm a metalhead, so for instance for orchestral stuff I care a lot less.
    Not sure I answer your question.
     
  17. acatnamedharmony

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    Thanks for asking this! I've been using the Music Lab stuff for quite sometime now, with more than adequate results but they do leave a bit to be desired.

    I find it kinda lacking in terms of general newness, more polished sounds, as well as the same strum patterns since Real Guitar 2 or 3.

    That being said if you know how to use it right (when you treat the sound like a really plain old flat af barebones guitar and layer, use proper strumming technique, add adequate amounts of reverb as well as double track) it really does the job. Also, if you're looking for instant inspiration it can be used as an arpeggiator which really does wonder swhen you just input chords ;)
     
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  18. Xupito

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    When I bought Prominy V-Metal and I was having a hard time programming it I had the luck to chat with a countryman who did the official YT promotional video, Javi Perera. He literally told me "You say I'm a genius programming virtual guitars (he is), but look at this guy who only uses RealLPC".
    And he passed me a link to an impressive brutal metal track made only with RealLpc who was v2 at most at the time. In the context of a mix sounded amazing. Also considering a Les Paul is good for metal but nowhere as good as a totally metal oriented Ibanez (V-Metal).

    While I am at it I'll leave you three interesting videos of him (Banshee was the former OTS Dracus):


     
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  19. Iggy

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    Unless I'm mistaken, none of the Shreddage instruments have hammer on/pull-off switches. I believe it's: 1) sustains, 2) mutes (except for Hydra, which has it as a velocity switch on the sustain key), 3) power chords,4) (sometimes) staccato power chords, 5) power chord mutes 6) harmonics 7) pinch harmonics 8) (sometimes) trills 9) tapping (legato), 10) (sometimes) ghost notes, 11) (sometimes) pitchless chugs, 12) (in every instance but Stratus) FX. Stratus and Hydra both have pickup selection and extra keyswitches, but I'm too lazy to figure our what their extras are at the moment.
     
  20. LHO

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    There's one in Soniccouture's Xbow Guitars
     
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